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18-07 New KA
Author: PannaJunk
Last updated: 3924d 7h 15m 13s ago by sbanks
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You saw the KA is very different now than the last version, do you think this is better for the game play ?
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Anonymous (11:03:26 - 20-07)
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Anonymous at 08:59:30 on 20/07:
Arcanine at 20:56:12 on 19/07:
Anonymous at 20:53:04 on 19/07:


If someone shoots at you and you shoot back, is that an act of defense, or is it an offensive act?

(No, I don't really mean what I'm saying, just trying to find ways how it could be defended - pun intended)

Backfire strength should be determined by attack but instead it uses defense.
To me that's not logical. I think backfire IS defense. SO good defense bg's = strong bf. That's logical.

If someone attacks on me (shoot) - I defend - and shoot back.

So actually how it's "really" work is wrong imo.

If backfire is indeed defense...why bothering and going offense?

If attack attacks attack, defender dies, attacker survives.
defender won't attack at all, so no contest.
If attack attacks defense, probably both die or just attacker.

Everyone would want to be defense with this system.
Anonymous (08:59:30 - 20-07)
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Arcanine at 20:56:12 on 19/07:
Anonymous at 20:53:04 on 19/07:


If someone shoots at you and you shoot back, is that an act of defense, or is it an offensive act?

(No, I don't really mean what I'm saying, just trying to find ways how it could be defended - pun intended)

Backfire strength should be determined by attack but instead it uses defense.
To me that's not logical. I think backfire IS defense. SO good defense bg's = strong bf. That's logical.

If someone attacks on me (shoot) - I defend - and shoot back.

So actually how it's "really" work is wrong imo.
Arcanine Netherlands (20:56:12 - 19-07)
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Anonymous at 20:53:04 on 19/07:


If someone shoots at you and you shoot back, is that an act of defense, or is it an offensive act?

(No, I don't really mean what I'm saying, just trying to find ways how it could be defended - pun intended)

Backfire strength should be determined by attack but instead it uses defense.
Anonymous (20:53:04 - 19-07)
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Arcanine at 18:41:39 on 19/07:
Soph at 18:37:11 on 19/07:
Removing anonymous posts would make this site seem very empty as just a few people would post.

I like the KA, even though it's not perfect. It's kinda odd that attack was so overpowered last versions, you'd see whole families getting decimated with just 1 or 2 bf kills.. that's not really an option. Sure, shooting should be rewarded, but the reward is in the spoils. Take your losses like a man.

How can you like this KA when someone on 5 defense does more backfire damage than someone on 3 attack?

If someone shoots at you and you shoot back, is that an act of defense, or is it an offensive act?

(No, I don't really mean what I'm saying, just trying to find ways how it could be defended - pun intended)
Nakketikker (19:58:27 - 19-07)
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Arcanine at 18:41:39 on 19/07:
Soph at 18:37:11 on 19/07:
Removing anonymous posts would make this site seem very empty as just a few people would post.

I like the KA, even though it's not perfect. It's kinda odd that attack was so overpowered last versions, you'd see whole families getting decimated with just 1 or 2 bf kills.. that's not really an option. Sure, shooting should be rewarded, but the reward is in the spoils. Take your losses like a man.

How can you like this KA when someone on 5 defense does more backfire damage than someone on 3 attack?

Anyway, Kcode said he is applying a hotfix today so we will see how it works out.

he perhaps told you when spots will be fixed ?
Soph Netherlands (18:44:40 - 19-07)
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Arcanine at 18:41:39 on 19/07:
Soph at 18:37:11 on 19/07:
Removing anonymous posts would make this site seem very empty as just a few people would post.

I like the KA, even though it's not perfect. It's kinda odd that attack was so overpowered last versions, you'd see whole families getting decimated with just 1 or 2 bf kills.. that's not really an option. Sure, shooting should be rewarded, but the reward is in the spoils. Take your losses like a man.

How can you like this KA when someone on 5 defense does more backfire damage than someone on 3 attack?

Anyway, Kcode said he is applying a hotfix today so we will see how it works out.

Well, let me rephrase, I don't like the current buggy KA, I do like the thing they are trying to do.
Arcanine Netherlands (18:41:39 - 19-07)
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Soph at 18:37:11 on 19/07:
Removing anonymous posts would make this site seem very empty as just a few people would post.

I like the KA, even though it's not perfect. It's kinda odd that attack was so overpowered last versions, you'd see whole families getting decimated with just 1 or 2 bf kills.. that's not really an option. Sure, shooting should be rewarded, but the reward is in the spoils. Take your losses like a man.

How can you like this KA when someone on 5 defense does more backfire damage than someone on 3 attack?

Anyway, Kcode said he is applying a hotfix today so we will see how it works out.
Soph Netherlands (18:37:11 - 19-07)
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Removing anonymous posts would make this site seem very empty as just a few people would post.

I like the KA, even though it's not perfect. It's kinda odd that attack was so overpowered last versions, you'd see whole families getting decimated with just 1 or 2 bf kills.. that's not really an option. Sure, shooting should be rewarded, but the reward is in the spoils. Take your losses like a man.
anon (13:51:47 - 19-07)
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Jax at 06:49:08 on 19/07:
finaly a descent conversation between people here in this forum(I know 2 of them very well:...the only thing what irritates me is the fact that the name anonymous still is used.....there are too many anonymous people here. and use it here to say nasty things to others. Be open and react with your own name buddy.

nb the name I use is one of the 3 names wich i use in the game.

srsly u know them both? :D woow
Anonymous (12:31:57 - 19-07)
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Jax at 06:49:08 on 19/07:
finaly a descent conversation between people here in this forum(I know 2 of them very well:...the only thing what irritates me is the fact that the name anonymous still is used.....there are too many anonymous people here. and use it here to say nasty things to others. Be open and react with your own name buddy.

nb the name I use is one of the 3 names wich i use in the game.

You've got 2 dupes? :O:O
Jax (06:49:08 - 19-07)
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finaly a descent conversation between people here in this forum(I know 2 of them very well:...the only thing what irritates me is the fact that the name anonymous still is used.....there are too many anonymous people here. and use it here to say nasty things to others. Be open and react with your own name buddy.

nb the name I use is one of the 3 names wich i use in the game.
Anonymous (04:12:42 - 19-07)
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donnice at 19:00:04 on 18/07:
Paus at 18:52:16 on 18/07:
I think there should be a 3rd option. You can say everything you want about KA. The devs will never get it right for everybody. People who die will start to cry about it and people that survive will say the KA is fine.

It is what it is. They said that they were working on it then let them do so.

They are trying to make the game better, at least like all those years that they have said that they are trying to do something, there is actually some improvement.

Game on ;-)
+1

never in history there was a war with only deads on defenders side
so stop cry and play

this btw a shooting game

in the past there where versions when ppl get more as 5 acc


'never in history there was a war with only deads on defenders side'

you must not have played this long then.. ive seen fams many times 15-30 ppl and more all get killed and not one person killed in bf
Nakketikker (22:43:12 - 18-07)
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Anonymous at 21:46:06 on 18/07:
donnice at 19:00:04 on 18/07:
Paus at 18:52:16 on 18/07:
I think there should be a 3rd option. You can say everything you want about KA. The devs will never get it right for everybody. People who die will start to cry about it and people that survive will say the KA is fine.

It is what it is. They said that they were working on it then let them do so.

They are trying to make the game better, at least like all those years that they have said that they are trying to do something, there is actually some improvement.

Game on ;-)
+1

never in history there was a war with only deads on defenders side
so stop cry and play

this btw a shooting game

in the past there where versions when ppl get more as 5 acc
specially like 5 acc part. now people "retire" if they die once...maybe they will do 2nd acc if they die early and have credits to run lackeys. 1 of the problem is big pacts = it takes time before any big wars = 1 big war = final war more or less - the "other" side won, the losing side won and can't come back. conclusion? I would like to see the ranking speed faster specially if you are manual ranker. maybe kill the .dm and make .com something between...I know wont work .dm = dc's = money so...but I can always hope


you have a point there..
Anonymous (21:46:06 - 18-07)
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donnice at 19:00:04 on 18/07:
Paus at 18:52:16 on 18/07:
I think there should be a 3rd option. You can say everything you want about KA. The devs will never get it right for everybody. People who die will start to cry about it and people that survive will say the KA is fine.

It is what it is. They said that they were working on it then let them do so.

They are trying to make the game better, at least like all those years that they have said that they are trying to do something, there is actually some improvement.

Game on ;-)
+1

never in history there was a war with only deads on defenders side
so stop cry and play

this btw a shooting game

in the past there where versions when ppl get more as 5 acc
specially like 5 acc part. now people "retire" if they die once...maybe they will do 2nd acc if they die early and have credits to run lackeys. 1 of the problem is big pacts = it takes time before any big wars = 1 big war = final war more or less - the "other" side won, the losing side won and can't come back. conclusion? I would like to see the ranking speed faster specially if you are manual ranker. maybe kill the .dm and make .com something between...I know wont work .dm = dc's = money so...but I can always hope
donnice Belgium (19:00:04 - 18-07)
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Paus at 18:52:16 on 18/07:
I think there should be a 3rd option. You can say everything you want about KA. The devs will never get it right for everybody. People who die will start to cry about it and people that survive will say the KA is fine.

It is what it is. They said that they were working on it then let them do so.

They are trying to make the game better, at least like all those years that they have said that they are trying to do something, there is actually some improvement.

Game on ;-)
+1

never in history there was a war with only deads on defenders side
so stop cry and play

this btw a shooting game

in the past there where versions when ppl get more as 5 acc
Paus Holy See (Vatican City State) (18:52:16 - 18-07)
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I think there should be a 3rd option. You can say everything you want about KA. The devs will never get it right for everybody. People who die will start to cry about it and people that survive will say the KA is fine.

It is what it is. They said that they were working on it then let them do so.

They are trying to make the game better, at least like all those years that they have said that they are trying to do something, there is actually some improvement.

Game on ;-)
thjx (18:45:54 - 18-07)
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gode at 16:12:20 on 18/07:
Arcanine at 15:32:08 on 18/07:
gode at 15:12:09 on 18/07:
moon@home at 13:58:48 on 18/07:
i don´t know what they did with the ka but it doesn´t seem that diferent to me imho and it´s better balanced then 2.2 and 2.3 and so forth ka because wiping out a family isn´t easy and should never be cheap

i agree on that, wiping a fam shouldn't be something that everyone can do easily.

we have already played lots of versions with the idea "shooting fams wins it"
let the game flow other way for sometime

btw about KA bug, i don't accept Arcanine testcase, 20k bullets does not explain %100
maybe they have some random thing on preshots, so preshooting has become kind of risky
omerta never been about math, there was always some randomness/mistery about KA

some examination should be done by KCode imo

Brando himself admitted it lol. Dont talk nonsense.

the fact is, there is no public announcement yet, neither Kcode made an explanation
personally, i wait his examination
20k bullets example is not covering KA %100
You trust on brando ? Haha bless you :')
Anonymous (17:47:28 - 18-07)
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Well its never good, if ATT side is favoured defenders will cry
when DEF side is favoured attackers will cry ...
Anonymous (16:55:12 - 18-07)
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shell at 16:24:41 on 18/07:
KA is definetely unstable and broke as arcanine mentioned before. They have to fix it but that shouldn't mean 60k = kill and no bf risk at all. As moon said, 2.3 ka was pretty decent imo. Back then strong accounts made difference and that is ehat we need atm


+1
shell (16:24:41 - 18-07)
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KA is definetely unstable and broke as arcanine mentioned before. They have to fix it but that shouldn't mean 60k = kill and no bf risk at all. As moon said, 2.3 ka was pretty decent imo. Back then strong accounts made difference and that is ehat we need atm