OB News - 18-07 New KA

zbam

(18:37:20 - 10-08)

hate it!

Anonymous (22:15:16 - 22-07)

fuerte at 21:23:07 on 22/07:
[23:20:17] <!KCode> the KA is not that far from reality now
[23:20:19] <!KCode> it will be balanced
[23:20:21] <!KCode> but it's not bugged

worth to say again, still confirmed as no bug

Has anyone ever asked him specifically about the att/def-swap AND actually gotten a reply?
If so, what's the explanation? Is this a change in the new KA, or has it always been like that?

(Oh, and it would be awesome if anyone could find 2 .nl players (old KA) who could spare 40k bullets and some BG money to do the same tests Arcanine did on .com. I'd totally blow you for that.)

fuerte

(21:23:07 - 22-07)

[23:20:17] <!KCode> the KA is not that far from reality now
[23:20:19] <!KCode> it will be balanced
[23:20:21] <!KCode> but it's not bugged

worth to say again, still confirmed as no bug

Anonymous (07:34:43 - 22-07)

Anonymous at 20:28:35 on 21/07:

Anonymous at 20:27:12 on 21/07:
Whatever is result for KA , i just wanna hear explanation for death of Fugitive...

FUGITIVE = Bruglione 30%
Rankpoints: #8
Bustouts: #40
Car nicks: #45
Narcotics: #15
Races: #58
Capo money: #1

Bullets: #17
Money: #1
Crimes: #74
Booze: #17
Honor points: #24
Account age: #150

VENDETTA = Local Chief

Rankpoints: #1056
Bustouts: #394
Car nicks: #1087
Narcotics: #1266
Races: #373
Capo money: #246

Bullets: #482
Money: #1269
Crimes: #862
Booze: #1284
Honor points: #510
Account age: #2933

So...based on 1v1 ? I would like to get explanation of this kill .

Bug, like explained ten times before.

ask revive they will give you in #help ^^

Anonymous (20:28:35 - 21-07)

Anonymous at 20:27:12 on 21/07:
Whatever is result for KA , i just wanna hear explanation for death of Fugitive...

FUGITIVE = Bruglione 30%
Rankpoints: #8
Bustouts: #40
Car nicks: #45
Narcotics: #15
Races: #58
Capo money: #1

Bullets: #17
Money: #1
Crimes: #74
Booze: #17
Honor points: #24
Account age: #150

VENDETTA = Local Chief

Rankpoints: #1056
Bustouts: #394
Car nicks: #1087
Narcotics: #1266
Races: #373
Capo money: #246

Bullets: #482
Money: #1269
Crimes: #862
Booze: #1284
Honor points: #510
Account age: #2933

So...based on 1v1 ? I would like to get explanation of this kill .

Bug, like explained ten times before.

Anonymous (20:27:12 - 21-07)

Whatever is result for KA , i just wanna hear explanation for death of Fugitive...

FUGITIVE = Bruglione 30%
Rankpoints: #8
Bustouts: #40
Car nicks: #45
Narcotics: #15
Races: #58
Capo money: #1

Bullets: #17
Money: #1
Crimes: #74
Booze: #17
Honor points: #24
Account age: #150

VENDETTA = Local Chief

Rankpoints: #1056
Bustouts: #394
Car nicks: #1087
Narcotics: #1266
Races: #373
Capo money: #246

Bullets: #482
Money: #1269
Crimes: #862
Booze: #1284
Honor points: #510
Account age: #2933

So...based on 1v1 ? I would like to get explanation of this kill .

Arcanine

(23:55:41 - 20-07)

fuerte at 23:51:17 on 20/07:

I'll follow Sbanks and also just ignore you from now on, you won't listen anyway :P

Your only argument so far has been 'they might have changed some stuff' blabla. My arguments and proof were solid to say the least.

Anyway, will do the same. Good luck.

fuerte

(23:51:17 - 20-07)

Arcanine at 23:33:07 on 20/07:

fuerte at 23:19:55 on 20/07:

Arcanine at 19:31:41 on 20/07:

fuerte at 19:00:22 on 20/07:

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Can you also explain me why the 2 bodyguards I lost in backfire were Joe and Ray, who were trained defensively, and not my Vic and Ike..like it always has been?

And why the defender didnt lose his Vic and Ike but also 2 defensive bodyguards?

Bug.

I would say they changed it to random guards in order to make it more exciting, or there's a bug that causes defensive guards to die first. doesn't mean the stats were flipped

[16:08] <!KCode> KA is based on straight 1on1 factors
[16:08] <!KCode> at end there is a total
[16:08] <!KCode> and from there it works with the ATT DEF
[16:08] <!KCode> the tweaking part
[16:08] <!KCode> is made on the factors
[16:08] <!KCode> which we will check

clear statement they are tweaking the base factors, not the bg's ^^

Yea sure mate:') They didnt intentionally change anything, especially not the order of bodyguard killing.

Anyway, believe what you want. It makes the game easier for the handfull of people who do know whats going on

I'll follow Sbanks and also just ignore you from now on, you won't listen anyway :P

Arcanine

(23:33:07 - 20-07)

fuerte at 23:19:55 on 20/07:

Arcanine at 19:31:41 on 20/07:

fuerte at 19:00:22 on 20/07:

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Can you also explain me why the 2 bodyguards I lost in backfire were Joe and Ray, who were trained defensively, and not my Vic and Ike..like it always has been?

And why the defender didnt lose his Vic and Ike but also 2 defensive bodyguards?

Bug.

I would say they changed it to random guards in order to make it more exciting, or there's a bug that causes defensive guards to die first. doesn't mean the stats were flipped

[16:08] <!KCode> KA is based on straight 1on1 factors
[16:08] <!KCode> at end there is a total
[16:08] <!KCode> and from there it works with the ATT DEF
[16:08] <!KCode> the tweaking part
[16:08] <!KCode> is made on the factors
[16:08] <!KCode> which we will check

clear statement they are tweaking the base factors, not the bg's ^^

Yea sure mate:') They didnt intentionally change anything, especially not the order of bodyguard killing.

Anyway, believe what you want. It makes the game easier for the handfull of people who do know whats going on

fuerte

(23:19:55 - 20-07)

Arcanine at 19:31:41 on 20/07:

fuerte at 19:00:22 on 20/07:

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Can you also explain me why the 2 bodyguards I lost in backfire were Joe and Ray, who were trained defensively, and not my Vic and Ike..like it always has been?

And why the defender didnt lose his Vic and Ike but also 2 defensive bodyguards?

Bug.

I would say they changed it to random guards in order to make it more exciting, or there's a bug that causes defensive guards to die first. doesn't mean the stats were flipped

[16:08] <!KCode> KA is based on straight 1on1 factors
[16:08] <!KCode> at end there is a total
[16:08] <!KCode> and from there it works with the ATT DEF
[16:08] <!KCode> the tweaking part
[16:08] <!KCode> is made on the factors
[16:08] <!KCode> which we will check

clear statement they are tweaking the base factors, not the bg's ^^

Arcanine

(19:31:41 - 20-07)

fuerte at 19:00:22 on 20/07:

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Can you also explain me why the 2 bodyguards I lost in backfire were Joe and Ray, who were trained defensively, and not my Vic and Ike..like it always has been?

And why the defender didnt lose his Vic and Ike but also 2 defensive bodyguards?

Bug.

Anonymous (19:16:03 - 20-07)

fuerte at 19:00:22 on 20/07:

Anonymous at 18:41:46 on 20/07:

Ber at 18:32:31 on 20/07:

Anonymous at 18:14:03 on 20/07:

fuerte at 17:59:35 on 20/07:
I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P

People have tested this with 20k shots (and 20k bf) brug on brug. With def setup, the defender took more damage and dealth more bf damage (compared to att setup).

uhm random bf ?

when u got 200k bullets it most of the times shoot 60k back :")

I have no idea what you're trying to say.
I meant that people TESTED this by shooting 20k on brugs who had their backfire set to "The same amount the attacker fires", so they got 20k back.
In that test, the defenders took more damage and dealt more bf damage when they had their BGs def trained.

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Well, that's how it could work, but you don't know that for sure unless you have access to the KA code. :)
Also, even if it's not clear if he was talking about the att/def-mixup, KCode said the following yesterday:

[17:51] <NFSA> will the ka have any modification?
...
[17:52] <!KCode> yes, I'm applying an hotfix today

... there were also some rumors about brando confirming the issue on Facebook.

But I guess there's not much point in discussing this any further without an official statement. Really sad that there is none so far.

fuerte

(19:00:22 - 20-07)

Anonymous at 18:41:46 on 20/07:

Ber at 18:32:31 on 20/07:

Anonymous at 18:14:03 on 20/07:

fuerte at 17:59:35 on 20/07:
I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P

People have tested this with 20k shots (and 20k bf) brug on brug. With def setup, the defender took more damage and dealth more bf damage (compared to att setup).

uhm random bf ?

when u got 200k bullets it most of the times shoot 60k back :")

I have no idea what you're trying to say.
I meant that people TESTED this by shooting 20k on brugs who had their backfire set to "The same amount the attacker fires", so they got 20k back.
In that test, the defenders took more damage and dealt more bf damage when they had their BGs def trained.

Someone who has more def will lose their bg's later, so they will have more time to do dmg to the attacker. With 60k shots even defensive bodyguards will die, so it probably isn't the case then. Still not convinced :)

Anonymous (18:43:45 - 20-07)

Anonymous at 18:39:17 on 20/07:
In English :
- Defense = you defend YOURSELF (if anyone shoot you)
- Attack = you attack AGAINST SOMEONE (when you want to kill someone)

So why I need full attack if I want to have strong backfire? I thought I need strong defense for that.

From the wiki:

The attacker’s total attack is compared to the defender’s total defense. This determines the damage done to the defender.
The defender’s total attack is compared to the attacker’s total attack. This determines the damage done to the attacker in backfire.
More specifically: the value of the bullets shot in backfire is modified. While backfire is limited to 60.000 bullets like the initial attempt, the bullets can ‘count’ as more or less as a result of this calculation.
The attacker’s defense value plays no role. Defense is only used when defending.

Anonymous (18:43:22 - 20-07)

Anonymous at 18:39:17 on 20/07:
In English :
- Defense = you defend YOURSELF (if anyone shoot you)
- Attack = you attack AGAINST SOMEONE (when you want to kill someone)

So why I need full attack if I want to have strong backfire? I thought I need strong defense for that.

Meh this is so wrong. Ofc you should be able to have two viable setups when not attacking. Either full defence(very likely to eat bullets and survive) or a certain degree of attack built into the setup, giving you a chance to kill in backfire but risk to die in process.

Anonymous (18:41:46 - 20-07)

Ber at 18:32:31 on 20/07:

Anonymous at 18:14:03 on 20/07:

fuerte at 17:59:35 on 20/07:
I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P

People have tested this with 20k shots (and 20k bf) brug on brug. With def setup, the defender took more damage and dealth more bf damage (compared to att setup).

uhm random bf ?

when u got 200k bullets it most of the times shoot 60k back :")

I have no idea what you're trying to say.
I meant that people TESTED this by shooting 20k on brugs who had their backfire set to "The same amount the attacker fires", so they got 20k back.
In that test, the defenders took more damage and dealt more bf damage when they had their BGs def trained.

Anonymous (18:39:17 - 20-07)

In English :
- Defense = you defend YOURSELF (if anyone shoot you)
- Attack = you attack AGAINST SOMEONE (when you want to kill someone)

So why I need full attack if I want to have strong backfire? I thought I need strong defense for that.

Ber (18:32:31 - 20-07)

Anonymous at 18:14:03 on 20/07:

fuerte at 17:59:35 on 20/07:
I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P

People have tested this with 20k shots (and 20k bf) brug on brug. With def setup, the defender took more damage and dealth more bf damage (compared to att setup).

uhm random bf ?

when u got 200k bullets it most of the times shoot 60k back :")

Anonymous (18:14:03 - 20-07)

fuerte at 17:59:35 on 20/07:
I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P

People have tested this with 20k shots (and 20k bf) brug on brug. With def setup, the defender took more damage and dealth more bf damage (compared to att setup).

fuerte

(17:59:35 - 20-07)

I think the switched attack/defence bug doesn't exist, was full attack and I killed a cdtc who shot me in homecity in backfire. Never would have happened if it was switched :P