I said enough for anyone who knows this game, I wont tell you anything which Levi tops don't know either...

We loaned Levi succ last version when some of their friends fucked them, later they killed us. It's a game, so it happens. Does that mean we play now just to kill Leviticus? Don't be ridiculous...
In this game everyone who isn't on your bloods list can be your threat, there for everyone is potential target, as we don't make no shooting deals, but we don't break our word either. We start neutral with every family and we make our moves for what's best for our family.

Families aren't even up, you guys tell what wars will happen. If Vinci and Conf didn't change long history of killing each other you would already be waiting for that war, now you need some other war so you feel safer thinking you know what's gonna happen. If you worry for Levi whoever you may be (Levi member, top, someone 3rd), do you want me to deny killing Levi? Why would I? As long as we don't see them as direct threat, we have no reason to kill them.

There I hope I helped you sleep safe at night.

Even if they would plan that war they would still say they wouldn't dohh, as if they're gonna admit it

did anyone else notice that neither yama nor johnny denied it :))

rofl

he just ask for the logs show MOFO!!!

LMFAO THERE YOU GO A TOP !!!

we are waiting logs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3KANI2dpXLw
epic ^^

wow ... still rumors going on? maybe unexpected foreign forces are joining this round and all speculation is in vein :/

Did i say these are going to be the first 2 wars?

Johnny i don't know what you are afraid of? Why are you denying it?

You and maraz are going to be very close this vers and shoot levi..

i know that you know that..

Don't worry what do you think levi can do? They will suicide on maraz when this happens.. They hate them more..

Don't talk more shit because you ll make a fool out of yourself when this happens :)

Dear mr. Anonymous, I'll be glad to inform you Vinci wont fight wars cause of of past versions, cause only those who wish to get nailed do that. We haven't even started and you're already making rumors... That's kind of sad isn't it?

PS. Why should we always be in 1st war of the version? Don't you think it's time for someone else to step up this time?

PS2. Looking forward to logs o>

PS3. You're putting Marazzino in 2 starting wars according to you. Doesn't that look unreal enough?

i doubt marazz or vinci will deny this...

i want a maraz nazd or vinci top to deny it first, i want to see their reaction after :)

im denying it

now show me logs !

lol johnny

Maraz nazd vs dig

Maraz vinc vs levico

Come on someone deny it if you want to see logs :)

Oh so you are not bloods with marazz? :')

I wrote you in text why I think there's not many chances that these families work together, simply they have very little in common. Though you do seem like very well informed person, especially cause you know who we blooded before us, and ofc knowing who'll we shoot is also absolutely great.

Maybe you can gimme a pm on irc cause I sure could use your vision on game. Cheers

You are right on the first part, about conf levi and vinci arent alliance families but i dont see why some of them cant work together. And vinci blooding marazz in fact means that you will go for levi on the first chance you get.

What i wonder is of all of the families built up last version, how many of them were turkish originated(i m sure there s like a 2:1 ratio atleast)..

And when there is this many turkish fams, ofcourse most of them are going to do business with each other..

Language is a issue too, if you look at the top statements and rip forums, most of these guys cant even speak english so how can you expect them to be really close with some foreign fams..

and johnny you probably didn't read that topic bc that wasnt the issue, the issue was how turks were "filthy cheaters" and weren't good to do anything else..

Other than that i agree with your post..

The truth came outta you Johnny, in this case. So i completely agree with you here.

P.S: Levi has "the" kanka mastah as a great tops(in my personal mind ofc)!

Don't think you play game for long time or you have bad memory, or you just took really bad examples... There's always choice, but what you named as example is complete nonsense.
Conflict, Leviticus and Vincitori aren't alliance families so I doubt you'll see them make alliance with anyone. Then families you named have very little in common, there for chances of them working together aren't highest, doesn't have to mean they'll dig each others eyes out on 1st chance.

Then if you're trying to mark Conflict, Leviticus and Vincitori as "anti turk" families that's even more wrong. Each one of these families worked with families who's tops were Turks and they worked really successful (Conflict - Ilteber, Leviticus - Turkuz, Vincitori - Liberta).

Alliances aren't only made to be strong and relevant, after 2.5 alliances are made only when families are scared from other fams and don't know what to do, so they make alliance to look bigger and there for harder to take down. This usually has counter effect than desired cause ppl like shooting alliances.

Also why people bashed Turkish families here it's probably cause of stereotypes. It's most common that Turkish families make alliance and dozen sister families, and that is pretty annoying for any normal player. Also I saw smth typical for Turkish and that's "As one" thing, now some leaders of big turkish families tried explaining me this but tbh it sounds just really damn complicated.
But in the end will family be good or bad has least to do with players origin. You had tons of examples of really good Turkish families in past (Notte, Favians, Kerberos). These families weren't fucking game up with 10 sister fams and 3 alliances, these families really lifted game to the new level in past and made versions more interesting. And with majority of players atm being from Turkey, their families have most of influence how will game go. Will they barricade themselves with 10 bloods and 5 sisters or they'll try to play open game. Only sad thing is lately there was less and less good new "Turkish" families, tbh only ones who can come to my mind are Venture.

And in the end, everyone should just see difference between normal players and noobs (or whatever is right word), cause others ones are making huge alliances, calling everyone racists and working only with people from same nation/country.

But ofc this is just my 2 cents :p