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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Fruitbat (18:15:56 - 09-12)
Fruitbat at 16:51:35 on 09/12:
@ K-Code .
Quote
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Do you really believe that making ass+ accounts HARDER TO KILL , is likely to encourage re-ranking and extended gameplay ?
@ K-Code .
Quote
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Do you really believe that making ass+ accounts HARDER TO KILL , is likely to encourage re-ranking and extended gameplay ?
(Also, I don't think anything changed for brug and above - that seemed balanced already, it's probably just for LC + Chief)
Fruitbat (16:51:35 - 09-12)
@ K-Code .
Quote
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Do you really believe that making ass+ accounts HARDER TO KILL , is likely to encourage re-ranking and extended gameplay ?
Quote
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Do you really believe that making ass+ accounts HARDER TO KILL , is likely to encourage re-ranking and extended gameplay ?
KCode at 15:18:37 on 09/12:
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Anonymous at 15:09:21 on 09/12:
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Btw its not related to this subject but i didnt mention this for years but imo gold donating code users, must have 50 or 60 click limits. I mean they should still have click limits but more than 40 would be good. At least it would mean something to have a gold dc apart from sms/skins.
mr_anon (15:41:10 - 09-12)
KCode at 15:18:37 on 09/12:
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Anonymous at 15:09:21 on 09/12:
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
if that is changed then small fams have a chance to shoot big fams out of the pacts when they sleeping.
its not about rebirth shit, small fams who are against massblooding pacts never have a chance now and if they shoot at a pactfam the pactfam stay offline and some asslicking fam is targetting the small fam.
+ the small fams should stop creating all build their own little HQ but join eachothers HQ to have a bigger fam and level up faster with the HQ
the newbie tops nowadays see famtop as a rank instead of having brains to combine and actually have a chance
Anonymous at 15:09:21 on 09/12:
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Anonymous (15:09:21 - 09-12)
KCode at 11:28:07 on 09/12:
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Anonymous at 10:51:37 on 09/12:
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Not sure if you pulled a Brando (ignored the point that was made on purpose to rant on a bit), or if it was unintentional.
I said the rerank feature looks like a nice idea, but it's not fixing the bigger underlying problem. The overblooding. Which is making the point of reranking a bit moot. Because only if everybody will bother to rank up again after the first war you get to do a replay (and that's a big if). And it is not even a replay because the surviving side has quite bit of a headstart. But that's probably what you meant with you gotta try harder. That's life. But I find it very nice and Brandoesque how you set up the straw man, "I lost a war, thus there's no need to rerank in general." Which was totaly not what I said. What I said was: "there's no point in reranking against the odds with this massive overblooding happening ingame."
The hillarious part is, that was not even a dig at you or your feature, but at the tops running the game this way for years. And I don't think that is easily fixable from the outside.
mr_anon (14:45:44 - 09-12)
the problem aint the rebirth thingie wich kcode is creating,
the problem is the players who are to scared to play outside the pacts just to survive everything
if the pact is smaller and when there are more then 2 sides we will see more wars and longer versions since the game aint closed after 4 weeks
not the game is the problem but the mindset of the lame pactfollowers
the problem is the players who are to scared to play outside the pacts just to survive everything
if the pact is smaller and when there are more then 2 sides we will see more wars and longer versions since the game aint closed after 4 weeks
not the game is the problem but the mindset of the lame pactfollowers
Anonymous (13:55:35 - 09-12)
New rebirth system could be fun but just a question.
Who says the pact allows you to rerank your fam to bruglione and don't attack your reranks when all are only chief?
Masspacting fams will just take more bloods to make sure they also survive the rerank fams. To think the rebirth system will solve the masspacting boring versions is way too naïve.
Who says the pact allows you to rerank your fam to bruglione and don't attack your reranks when all are only chief?
Masspacting fams will just take more bloods to make sure they also survive the rerank fams. To think the rebirth system will solve the masspacting boring versions is way too naïve.
Anonymous (13:04:12 - 09-12)
Make a war system. How it could be or looks like is...
If a family is in war with an other familie. Only the friendly families could help this families... But the families have to show the bloods on the family profile with a accept system i can send to other family inv for a alliance if this family accept it we are in the same alliance and could attack all the other alliances if i leave the alliance i can not join an other alliance for 12 hours so im alone and no help from others and if a new family join tje alliance again the 12 hours for shooting in the alliance so if family a start a war agains family b they can not just inv familys to bring down an other family they need to think about who should belongs to alliance and who not o/ and that its not hidden all others can see who is with which familys and co :) and if one alliace is attacking an othet alliance this two alliance are protected agains all the others until the war is over :)
A vs B so all others c d e f cant join this war to shoot a or b :) and think about it there could ne more options! Like city wars to take a city for the alliance if someone fight in alliance they earns experience in this alliance allianve level like family level that makes ppl to stay in alliance to get the positiv effects of the alliance and so
I know its hard to make something like that but maybe therr is some ppl who can just do one or two of this odeas possible
If a family is in war with an other familie. Only the friendly families could help this families... But the families have to show the bloods on the family profile with a accept system i can send to other family inv for a alliance if this family accept it we are in the same alliance and could attack all the other alliances if i leave the alliance i can not join an other alliance for 12 hours so im alone and no help from others and if a new family join tje alliance again the 12 hours for shooting in the alliance so if family a start a war agains family b they can not just inv familys to bring down an other family they need to think about who should belongs to alliance and who not o/ and that its not hidden all others can see who is with which familys and co :) and if one alliace is attacking an othet alliance this two alliance are protected agains all the others until the war is over :)
A vs B so all others c d e f cant join this war to shoot a or b :) and think about it there could ne more options! Like city wars to take a city for the alliance if someone fight in alliance they earns experience in this alliance allianve level like family level that makes ppl to stay in alliance to get the positiv effects of the alliance and so
I know its hard to make something like that but maybe therr is some ppl who can just do one or two of this odeas possible
Anonymous (11:56:13 - 09-12)
Anonymous at 11:43:47 on 09/12:
Hey kcode
I respect you and your try to fix all the problems really o/
But the problem is that big huge pact bro...
Maybe you guys could do something like in clash of clans :)
Where you fight agains a clan 1vs1 :) so mass blood or asone and co would have no sense anymore ppl maybe start to build one family and fight with that :) if someone declaire war to an other familys its just 1vs1 :) if my blood want to help me they need to attack the other blood of the family ny family attack and all that gangbang style would be finished 10vs1 and co
KCode at 11:28:07 on 09/12:
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Anonymous at 10:51:37 on 09/12:
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Hey kcode
I respect you and your try to fix all the problems really o/
But the problem is that big huge pact bro...
Maybe you guys could do something like in clash of clans :)
Where you fight agains a clan 1vs1 :) so mass blood or asone and co would have no sense anymore ppl maybe start to build one family and fight with that :) if someone declaire war to an other familys its just 1vs1 :) if my blood want to help me they need to attack the other blood of the family ny family attack and all that gangbang style would be finished 10vs1 and co
And one of this fixed would be to take 11click limits really back in 2007 i understand it but now? Nearly 2016 i dont get it :)
Anonymous (11:43:47 - 09-12)
KCode at 11:28:07 on 09/12:
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Anonymous at 10:51:37 on 09/12:
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
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Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Hey kcode
I respect you and your try to fix all the problems really o/
But the problem is that big huge pact bro...
Maybe you guys could do something like in clash of clans :)
Where you fight agains a clan 1vs1 :) so mass blood or asone and co would have no sense anymore ppl maybe start to build one family and fight with that :) if someone declaire war to an other familys its just 1vs1 :) if my blood want to help me they need to attack the other blood of the family ny family attack and all that gangbang style would be finished 10vs1 and co
Anonymous at 10:51:37 on 09/12:
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Did you try the new rebirth system?
Do you understand the idea behind it?
Did you give us any feedback about it?
Do you understand the whole strategy/concept behind most of v5 features and how they will impact the current situation?
Lets keep hope for a better Omerta which is never coming but I don't even know what's coming because I didn't look at it.
There are 3 main features in work to fix the current situation in whole game. This is Omerta, its based on strategy and at the moment one strategy is clearly overpowered (mass blooding), this can be fixed with the right changes but the mindset of "even if I rebirth I will die" can't be fixed by us even if we provide decent rebirth tools.
Let me remind you that years ago, when game was most active you would rebirth as an Empty-Suit and re-rank (I know, versions would also last longer, but they would last longer because the cycle was working).
To another post, where it says "Why would I rebirth after I get downed in first war?":
Your idea of a war is, EVEN IF YOU LOSE, do the maximum damage you can, now... If you lose without any damage, you don't deserve to complaint of rebirth, you failed at first, your second try needs to be harder, that's fair. But, if you do a decent damage before you go down, then I assure you with the new rebirth system you are able to regain the version because the damage you made needs to rebirth with you.
Now... If you die without any damage, you deserve to have a hard life on your 2nd try.
Die with something useful done, your 2nd try will be way easier and possible.
Come and test the new rebirth system, it's important for you to understand what is coming because it's here to stay.
We have a new feature fully focused in ending the massive bloodlines. Just letting you know we're aware of it for long but it's not an easy change for a game that has been famous for it's "freedom of play".
We don't like to "remove strategies" on hard limits/rules.
---
Edit: You can read more about it in: http://omerta.wiki/display/OMERTA/Rebirth+system or http://barafranca.com/pages/rebirth_tutorial/index.html
Anonymous (10:51:37 - 09-12)
Anonymous at 10:18:23 on 09/12:
revenge
Anonymous at 09:37:22 on 09/12:
The rerank system will NOT fix this. It is an improvement and adds some incentive to rerank, but it does not cure/solve the main problem with the oversized bloodlines/pacting.
What I mean is:
You get downed in the first or (if it comes to one) second war.
Then you are offered the chance to rerank against the odds for no other purpose than to rank again. The keywords are against the odds. You can't realistically hope to open up the version (not even speaking of winning it) again. So why bother?
Yes, the newer rebirth system seems to add some value to rebirth accounts, but the problem is reranking for what purpose?
IndiSIX at 15:51:33 on 08/12:
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
MurderInc at 23:03:12 on 07/12:
Sorry, but that's not how this game works. Didn't anyone send this guy the memo?
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
The rerank system will NOT fix this. It is an improvement and adds some incentive to rerank, but it does not cure/solve the main problem with the oversized bloodlines/pacting.
What I mean is:
You get downed in the first or (if it comes to one) second war.
Then you are offered the chance to rerank against the odds for no other purpose than to rank again. The keywords are against the odds. You can't realistically hope to open up the version (not even speaking of winning it) again. So why bother?
Yes, the newer rebirth system seems to add some value to rebirth accounts, but the problem is reranking for what purpose?
revenge
Ahahaha some ppl still believe in that rebirth system :)
Really guys try to rerank and start a familys agains the pact who still exist and have some strong accs in game after first or second war :) good luck with that! Next problem would be like how it looks like will be hj the familys with that new rebirth system cause you cant build a new family! The next level of sui is born :) after few rounds ppl start crying like now cause there is sui who kill the strongest acc ;) thats why we got this 400 bullet limits still no solution but its ok... Lets keep hope for a better omerta which is never coming :)
Anonymous (10:18:23 - 09-12)
Anonymous at 09:37:22 on 09/12:
The rerank system will NOT fix this. It is an improvement and adds some incentive to rerank, but it does not cure/solve the main problem with the oversized bloodlines/pacting.
What I mean is:
You get downed in the first or (if it comes to one) second war.
Then you are offered the chance to rerank against the odds for no other purpose than to rank again. The keywords are against the odds. You can't realistically hope to open up the version (not even speaking of winning it) again. So why bother?
Yes, the newer rebirth system seems to add some value to rebirth accounts, but the problem is reranking for what purpose?
IndiSIX at 15:51:33 on 08/12:
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
MurderInc at 23:03:12 on 07/12:
Sorry, but that's not how this game works. Didn't anyone send this guy the memo?
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
The rerank system will NOT fix this. It is an improvement and adds some incentive to rerank, but it does not cure/solve the main problem with the oversized bloodlines/pacting.
What I mean is:
You get downed in the first or (if it comes to one) second war.
Then you are offered the chance to rerank against the odds for no other purpose than to rank again. The keywords are against the odds. You can't realistically hope to open up the version (not even speaking of winning it) again. So why bother?
Yes, the newer rebirth system seems to add some value to rebirth accounts, but the problem is reranking for what purpose?
revenge
Anonymous (09:37:22 - 09-12)
IndiSIX at 15:51:33 on 08/12:
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
MurderInc at 23:03:12 on 07/12:
Sorry, but that's not how this game works. Didn't anyone send this guy the memo?
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
And now all we need is a youtube video and that's it...
Its somehow nice to write same stuff all over again... The only difference is this time i was in the winners side
Bottom line: wanna make this 30 days game? Ok keep it this ways, prolly dc cheaper (omg what did he said...) so more people can enjoy it as a 3/4 weeks game.
Want to try to give it a go for longer and steady versions? The only solution i see (without changing bullets buy/limites, taking some cash out of the game etc etc), and my hope for the game is the new re-rank system.
Otherwise, even for winners game sucks... its a SIMS game, people start not to come around or online...
The great value of this game was the interactivity between real people. That was the big stuff back them when it started...
Today, after some startup when people come online and are active, after first 3 days battle most - winners and losers - disappear...
Nobody ranks and me, for once, that always shoot made the stupid mistake of wasting credits when i just should have save them for next version.
I have another suggestion, but i think it was already tried once.
Why not to give to each fam that raises up and object of their choice? (of some who are available)
Lets say, the first fam up can choose from a list... and so on, and so on...
Objective? Maybe, in a long shoot, there would be more fams, and they can start getting cash faster, as most fast ranker usually are in the same huge fam, but there are always some others that are single out...
Just an idea.
The rerank system will NOT fix this. It is an improvement and adds some incentive to rerank, but it does not cure/solve the main problem with the oversized bloodlines/pacting.
What I mean is:
You get downed in the first or (if it comes to one) second war.
Then you are offered the chance to rerank against the odds for no other purpose than to rank again. The keywords are against the odds. You can't realistically hope to open up the version (not even speaking of winning it) again. So why bother?
Yes, the newer rebirth system seems to add some value to rebirth accounts, but the problem is reranking for what purpose?
Toby The Gold Fish at 08:21:15 on 09/12:
The obsession with gay sex remarks , leaves me wondering. How many posters are actually living in denial of their true sexuality. Every other post seems to talk butt hurt etc. I for one would encourage them to talk to their therapists about this issue. Your parents may not disapprove!
Anonymous at 21:08:21 on 08/12:
buthurt noobs begging someone to shoot their bloods xD
Anonymous at 11:43:31 on 08/12:
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
The obsession with gay sex remarks , leaves me wondering. How many posters are actually living in denial of their true sexuality. Every other post seems to talk butt hurt etc. I for one would encourage them to talk to their therapists about this issue. Your parents may not disapprove!
Toby The Gold Fish (08:21:15 - 09-12)
Anonymous at 21:08:21 on 08/12:
buthurt noobs begging someone to shoot their bloods xD
Anonymous at 11:43:31 on 08/12:
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
The obsession with gay sex remarks , leaves me wondering. How many posters are actually living in denial of their true sexuality. Every other post seems to talk butt hurt etc. I for one would encourage them to talk to their therapists about this issue. Your parents may not disapprove!
Anonymous (21:08:21 - 08-12)
Anonymous at 11:43:31 on 08/12:
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
Anonymous at 22:21:04 on 07/12:
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
im squirtall and i did shoot the don cause we had so much fking fun together. then the rest followed me and finally we killed the don. we are not like some of you assholes so we dont live with our so called mafia personalities. the version was over and we retired its that simple.
and if you had any alive braincells you could easily understand that the don couldnt even be top 10 @ kills you imbecile :)
stop crying and get a life ^^
That happen if ppl like you and your friends build a huge pact :) it must be very boring for you guys so you start a gangbang with yiur own friends what a nice move "we had so much fun together" :) that fills it o/
And one question to you! The version is still not over :) so why didnt you take your tommys and start a war with other familys or are you happy to be a dog under other familys? :D
@ K-Code .
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It wasn't avoided, I said that we are working on a feature to fix this situation, what I meant in the whole post is that 1 change won't fix it, both are needed AT SAME TIME.
One to make you believe that there's a chance after 1st death, another to make sure your first war was balanced and allowed you to damage back without a 10:1 ratio.
(Rebirth + War system) should even be seen as 1 feature, 50% of it is on DM already, the other 50% will take some extra weeks.
Do you really believe that making ass+ accounts HARDER TO KILL , is likely to encourage re-ranking and extended gameplay ?
(Also, I don't think anything changed for brug and above - that seemed balanced already, it's probably just for LC + Chief)
You seem to think that suicides are a bad thing - not necesarily so - as a delaying tactic on fams going up or as a way of deliberately weakening a fam - they seem to be usefull .
Yes, when i say re-reanking I mean to be aiming for brug as well - but as long as the multi fam pacts are in place - another condition , albeit later in the game , where a few judicially placed suicides wouldn't go amis , making surviving accounts even harder to kill from the re-ranked accounts doesnt seem to me to help . That was my point . Even hijacking after re-ranking is also going to be harder . As there is no way re-ranking is going to allow anybody to put up a "new" fam against the pact , as they can/could and assuredly would play "wack-a-mole" with anybody foolish enough to try .
While i realise that there is nothing much admins can do to change this and it will need a change in the majority game play/mindset to achieve , rule changes like this one arent helping .