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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Anonymous (01:09:14 - 02-10)
Rosegarden at 01:05:34 on 02/10:
okay let me try in another way, if you try and open your own stats, and look around the 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT, you will see that you your self are missing around 2 days. This goes for ALL players. The stat you see are from your omerta beyond (where they get if from i dont know, trabot? im not known for beeing good with shit like that) and im guessing they had some down time :-)
Anonymous at 00:58:11 on 02/10:
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
Rosegarden at 00:45:04 on 02/10:
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Anonymous at 00:42:14 on 02/10:
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
okay let me try in another way, if you try and open your own stats, and look around the 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT, you will see that you your self are missing around 2 days. This goes for ALL players. The stat you see are from your omerta beyond (where they get if from i dont know, trabot? im not known for beeing good with shit like that) and im guessing they had some down time :-)
Anonymous at 00:58:11 on 02/10:
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
Rosegarden at 00:45:04 on 02/10:
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Anonymous at 00:42:14 on 02/10:
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
okay let me try in another way, if you try and open your own stats, and look around the 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT, you will see that you your self are missing around 2 days. This goes for ALL players. The stat you see are from your omerta beyond (where they get if from i dont know, trabot? im not known for beeing good with shit like that) and im guessing they had some down time :-)
Anonymous (00:58:11 - 02-10)
Rosegarden at 00:45:04 on 02/10:
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Anonymous at 00:42:14 on 02/10:
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
Anonymous at 00:42:14 on 02/10:
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Anonymous (00:42:14 - 02-10)
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
Anonymous at 00:21:21 on 02/10:
Lets take a look at some cheaters; (promotion times)
Zeus;
Swindler 18/09/2013 16:52:03 OT 2D 1H 11M
Assassin 20/09/2013 18:04:01 OT 1D 14H 34M
I guess, Assassin goes faster then swindler for some people :p
Peace;
Assassin 21/09/2013 20:09:03 OT 3D 1H 24M
Local Chief 24/09/2013 21:34:01 OT 2D 2H 13M
Some guys just don't enough shame xD I guess he mixed stuff up.. Buddy for future reference-LC goes way slower:(
Menoblack;
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:45:04 OT 1D 23H 47M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 12H 16M
Mr. Gambino come on bud, 12 hours less to promote to LC then to Assa? Atleast give it an effort- don't make it so obvious :)
It took me 5 mins to put this shit together, all this shit without any punishment just tells me admins don't even care anymore.. Shame KCode- We thought you were for real :w
Lets take a look at some cheaters; (promotion times)
Zeus;
Swindler 18/09/2013 16:52:03 OT 2D 1H 11M
Assassin 20/09/2013 18:04:01 OT 1D 14H 34M
I guess, Assassin goes faster then swindler for some people :p
Peace;
Assassin 21/09/2013 20:09:03 OT 3D 1H 24M
Local Chief 24/09/2013 21:34:01 OT 2D 2H 13M
Some guys just don't enough shame xD I guess he mixed stuff up.. Buddy for future reference-LC goes way slower:(
Menoblack;
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:45:04 OT 1D 23H 47M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 12H 16M
Mr. Gambino come on bud, 12 hours less to promote to LC then to Assa? Atleast give it an effort- don't make it so obvious :)
It took me 5 mins to put this shit together, all this shit without any punishment just tells me admins don't even care anymore.. Shame KCode- We thought you were for real :w
lol okay master detective find me a statistic thats actually right ...
Anonymous (00:21:21 - 02-10)
Lets take a look at some cheaters; (promotion times)
Zeus;
Swindler 18/09/2013 16:52:03 OT 2D 1H 11M
Assassin 20/09/2013 18:04:01 OT 1D 14H 34M
I guess, Assassin goes faster then swindler for some people :p
Peace;
Assassin 21/09/2013 20:09:03 OT 3D 1H 24M
Local Chief 24/09/2013 21:34:01 OT 2D 2H 13M
Some guys just don't enough shame xD I guess he mixed stuff up.. Buddy for future reference-LC goes way slower:(
Menoblack;
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:45:04 OT 1D 23H 47M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 12H 16M
Mr. Gambino come on bud, 12 hours less to promote to LC then to Assa? Atleast give it an effort- don't make it so obvious :)
It took me 5 mins to put this shit together, all this shit without any punishment just tells me admins don't even care anymore.. Shame KCode- We thought you were for real :w
Zeus;
Swindler 18/09/2013 16:52:03 OT 2D 1H 11M
Assassin 20/09/2013 18:04:01 OT 1D 14H 34M
I guess, Assassin goes faster then swindler for some people :p
Peace;
Assassin 21/09/2013 20:09:03 OT 3D 1H 24M
Local Chief 24/09/2013 21:34:01 OT 2D 2H 13M
Some guys just don't enough shame xD I guess he mixed stuff up.. Buddy for future reference-LC goes way slower:(
Menoblack;
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:45:04 OT 1D 23H 47M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 12H 16M
Mr. Gambino come on bud, 12 hours less to promote to LC then to Assa? Atleast give it an effort- don't make it so obvious :)
It took me 5 mins to put this shit together, all this shit without any punishment just tells me admins don't even care anymore.. Shame KCode- We thought you were for real :w
Anonymous at 20:33:01 on 01/10:
There wont be Vaffan without Bazjuuh. So stop with this Vaffan=Theo thing
There wont be Vaffan without Bazjuuh. So stop with this Vaffan=Theo thing
True that my friend, any Vaffanculo member knows it wouldn't be Vaffanculo without Baz.
Anonymous (21:12:03 - 01-10)
Anonymous at 20:36:03 on 01/10:
Nazdrovia co vs Anarchy. Payback time ;)
Anonymous at 19:38:20 on 01/10:
what time first war ???
and ?vs?
what time first war ???
and ?vs?
Nazdrovia co vs Anarchy. Payback time ;)
and who is Nazdrovia CO exactly???
Anonymous (20:36:03 - 01-10)
Anonymous at 19:38:20 on 01/10:
what time first war ???
and ?vs?
what time first war ???
and ?vs?
Nazdrovia co vs Anarchy. Payback time ;)
Anonymous (20:33:01 - 01-10)
There wont be Vaffan without Bazjuuh. So stop with this Vaffan=Theo thing
Anonymous (20:22:19 - 01-10)
Anonymous at 16:03:56 on 01/10:
theogony wiseass
Anonymous at 15:57:44 on 01/10:
Vaffan got a pact while they are not playing???
Anonymous at 14:40:00 on 01/10:
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
Anonymous at 14:35:37 on 01/10:
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
Anonymous at 14:33:40 on 01/10:
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
Anonymous at 14:18:08 on 01/10:
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
Anonymous at 13:43:58 on 01/10:
rofl, you do realize Gravano wasn't around last version when Faffie organized wars with Gambino on basically everyone?
some people ... /facepalm
Anonymous at 09:32:26 on 01/10:
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
Anonymous at 22:33:55 on 30/09:
pentagram+++ :P
Anonymous at 22:28:37 on 30/09:
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
hmmmm at 22:24:47 on 30/09:
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
some people ... /facepalm
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
theogony wiseass
Vaffan isn't playing, because if they would i would play also. But i'm just an es.
Anonymous (19:41:53 - 01-10)
Scarface at 17:51:54 on 01/10:
I miss it so much also :'((
Anonymous at 17:39:03 on 01/10:
I miss so much bj and pb :(
I miss so much bj and pb :(
I miss it so much also :'((
be patient they will fix it before 2015
Anonymous (19:38:20 - 01-10)
what time first war ???
and ?vs?
and ?vs?
Anonymous at 17:39:03 on 01/10:
I miss so much bj and pb :(
I miss so much bj and pb :(
I miss it so much also :'((
Anonymous (17:39:03 - 01-10)
I miss so much bj and pb :(
Anonymous (17:14:43 - 01-10)
Anonymous at 17:08:07 on 01/10:
or just backstabbers of righ who didnt go to navolli
shell at 16:56:44 on 01/10:
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
Anonymous at 16:03:56 on 01/10:
theogony wiseass
Anonymous at 15:57:44 on 01/10:
Vaffan got a pact while they are not playing???
Anonymous at 14:40:00 on 01/10:
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
Anonymous at 14:35:37 on 01/10:
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
Anonymous at 14:33:40 on 01/10:
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
Anonymous at 14:18:08 on 01/10:
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
Anonymous at 13:43:58 on 01/10:
rofl, you do realize Gravano wasn't around last version when Faffie organized wars with Gambino on basically everyone?
some people ... /facepalm
Anonymous at 09:32:26 on 01/10:
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
Anonymous at 22:33:55 on 30/09:
pentagram+++ :P
Anonymous at 22:28:37 on 30/09:
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
hmmmm at 22:24:47 on 30/09:
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
some people ... /facepalm
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
theogony wiseass
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
or just backstabbers of righ who didnt go to navolli
they prolly backstabbers of righ ye, cuz Navolli has all the righ members thats y they so big
shell (17:14:10 - 01-10)
Anonymous at 17:08:07 on 01/10:
or just backstabbers of righ who didnt go to navolli
shell at 16:56:44 on 01/10:
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
Anonymous at 16:03:56 on 01/10:
theogony wiseass
Anonymous at 15:57:44 on 01/10:
Vaffan got a pact while they are not playing???
Anonymous at 14:40:00 on 01/10:
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
Anonymous at 14:35:37 on 01/10:
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
Anonymous at 14:33:40 on 01/10:
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
Anonymous at 14:18:08 on 01/10:
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
Anonymous at 13:43:58 on 01/10:
rofl, you do realize Gravano wasn't around last version when Faffie organized wars with Gambino on basically everyone?
some people ... /facepalm
Anonymous at 09:32:26 on 01/10:
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
Anonymous at 22:33:55 on 30/09:
pentagram+++ :P
Anonymous at 22:28:37 on 30/09:
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
hmmmm at 22:24:47 on 30/09:
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
some people ... /facepalm
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
theogony wiseass
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
or just backstabbers of righ who didnt go to navolli
Navolli is not Righelli, not even a bit!
Neither Theogony is !
Jap, goupe, elky are rolling on their own, no bearing on Righelli
People are doing their things now, respect them.
None from righelli can be called backstabber because they didn't join one of two families. There are many righelli members in both families, as there are some others in different families.
Anonymous (17:08:07 - 01-10)
shell at 16:56:44 on 01/10:
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
Anonymous at 16:03:56 on 01/10:
theogony wiseass
Anonymous at 15:57:44 on 01/10:
Vaffan got a pact while they are not playing???
Anonymous at 14:40:00 on 01/10:
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
Anonymous at 14:35:37 on 01/10:
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
Anonymous at 14:33:40 on 01/10:
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
Anonymous at 14:18:08 on 01/10:
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
Anonymous at 13:43:58 on 01/10:
rofl, you do realize Gravano wasn't around last version when Faffie organized wars with Gambino on basically everyone?
some people ... /facepalm
Anonymous at 09:32:26 on 01/10:
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
Anonymous at 22:33:55 on 30/09:
pentagram+++ :P
Anonymous at 22:28:37 on 30/09:
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
hmmmm at 22:24:47 on 30/09:
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
faffie is already making plans on kankas...lets see who will shoot first
im pretty sure the kankas aint faffies first pri.... :p and the kankas can be delt into 2 diff groups
faffie is the fiffie of grav , they cant organise their own war , and penta lickin grav's ass , which means penta wont be shot by grav++ , atleast for now on.
some people ... /facepalm
well they got pushed in a leading role, while they always been followers. What i find more interesting, can they be leaders now that all fams are up
they got pushed into a leading role and won the version :p as a fam itself they are probably the most powerful fam that is atm, great shooters etc, but im not sure if their influence is at same level.
im not sure they are the most powerful pneta will have something to say about that. They never won the version Gambino did (bloods i know).
best family to be in with the sexiest members - no dount :D
hehe yeah i guess gamb technically won, and they were badass aswell :) but faffie must be the best bloodship they have ever made.
but lets see what happens now. Vaffan got a bigass pact with marazz, mc, fidel, lusa +++. consider them favorites atm.
theogony wiseass
So, vaffan has a jap wannebe and something called goupe in top now.
May god be with you
or just backstabbers of righ who didnt go to navolli
Yeah I can understand why you are crying here Rose
Soldier 16/09/2013 17:07:03 OT 2D 0H 2M
Swindler 18/09/2013 17:10:02 OT 2D 0H 23M
Assassin 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT 1D 18H 1M
(promo of Kazana=Rosegarden)
Nice bug abusing, hope you feel like you achieved something :)
sweety im not crying, im laughing :D
Ah you are married with Menoblack just noticed, I guess 2 cheaters makes a nice couple :) Good, you are laughing now.. We will see who is going to get the last laugh when you guys get the Akills you deserve :)
okay let me try in another way, if you try and open your own stats, and look around the 20/09/2013 17:33:02 OT, you will see that you your self are missing around 2 days. This goes for ALL players. The stat you see are from your omerta beyond (where they get if from i dont know, trabot? im not known for beeing good with shit like that) and im guessing they had some down time :-)
ooh you should have just said so :o forget what i said then, i always make the mistake of taking ppl serious in here :P