Vaffanculo did it just now and left a massive pact that all counterd too behind like shattered glass. sure, vaffanculo is wounded badly but what family wouldnt be after getting shots from 12 different families.

Let me ask you this john, let's say vaffanculo had joined A or B again. Vaffanculo + Gravano would make their side win easy. if they had joined the even bigger pact in catania / righelli it would've been over a week ago already. so in other words vaffanculo didn't just make the game more unpredictable but also extended this version.

You said you were dissapontsd in vaffan, for what? Surviving an attack of 12 families? Not joining Gravano side and make this a 1 war-version? For making a small blood list? For not fighting in a war where none of their bloods were involved in?
Their bloods were attacked a total of 3 times this version and they jumped 3 times + the bloods didn't go down.

so my question: what is SO disapointing?

Last but not least I do agree with the fidelitas man, vaffanculo chose their own path and it worked as far as it could. catania side was way too big in the Gravano war. maybe they'll downscale a bit here.

It's very important for the development of the game that those pacts downscale, the versions reset within 2 months these days. you'll lose players instead of gaining them that way. people hate seeing an A vs B fight and a version reset straight after. people in smaller fams would also like a little casino someday because then they can defend it.

its very ignorant to say this will happen next version, there will always be somewhat bigger sides and pacts but atleast vaffanculo had the guts or the balls like people here like to call it to go their own way and show massive pacts are not needed.
we can only hope families next version can scale down and turn down a blood request for a change.

Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die

Johnny, perhaps I should speak about Fidelitas a bit here.


3 tops of Venture and Xzone came together in 3.52 to make a new start and founded Fidelitas. In a time Righelli/Lucchese/Marazzino etc. were still a major part of a larger group, we blooded Ilimitada, Righelli and Provenzano. Around the night of the first war in which we died, we became bloods with Wargasm too.
Our choice of avoiding massblooding – not the first time – was naturally not capable of sending a strong message to certain other fams because of reasons on different levels. Here comes into effect what I described about Vaffanculo as “having the means”.

In 4.0 we blooded Ascension (after 1st war), Righelli, Provenzano, Leviticus, Jannisary, Ilimitada and Tempestuoso. We had 7 bloods of which 2 were below #35 on the statistics. Still 7 bloods, but not even comparable with other bloodcircles around back then.

Add to this the fact that our blood policy differed to the ones of our opponents back then in the way that we didn't replace every lost blood with 1-2 new, often big fams. This, despite our disadvantage grewing day by day while we were on the focus for the next big fight(s).

4.0 developed in a way where it was plausible to work together with many fams with which we potentially could end up fighting with. An imaginary example: if the version developed differently we would've been shooting Lucchese or vice versa. A real example: Fidelitas worked a lot together with Vittoria, yet ended up getting killed by them.


And I can tell you we had success with this playing style.

Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.

Agree, they blooded Memento as well as both wanted to change the political landscape as they were tired from pact A vs B.

At least they try to change game. People blaming them for not being on gravano side whatever lo.
Those people always just want to see pact A vs B thats it?

:')

End is coming i think liberta co , gravano , kuro and janni will come back and they have power vaffan cancelled old pact and now lib,kuro,gra,janni,messi,ascen make a new pact and hate vaffan :)

that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.

a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.

I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?

15 fam pact? and who would that be?

and again,anyone ever in omerta history saw bulgarian pussies giddiness and lazial and other pussies to shoot in first wave or war ? Answer is newer,they play game for fun of msging and hp' changing with each other.Every vers same story they stand and look everybody killing themself,then they maybe kill 5.6 alrdy dead wounded targets,and then they start to think about ver victory loool and how they are smart.Also they sold bloods many many times,sold me also.problem is they sold so many bloods they can newer figure out who is writting this,the list is so long.


cmon pussies show your heir between legs

Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.

This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.

Easy solved Johnny, I'm a member of Caedes and nothing more. Does this mean my words exclude my own Tops? Ofc not.

If you wonder about Fidelitas however, you can contact me on IRC, #caedes

Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.

Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.

For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.

Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)

And you are still an ass - nm what you say. So plz - do not say anything.
You are 1 of the biggest reasons behind this "mass blooding & stupid tops" - I know you can't be anything else than you but you can avoid mass blooding "as showing a path"...

rip all who died
version is open again
go go go rerank and buy dc

Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.

You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.

What's up mr Anonymous? Vaffanculo still alive :o

butthurt much?

you mean everybody run own business with small group of fams, like 5-6 smaller sides then 2 or 3 big side ?

A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.

Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.

A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.

they need join FREEDOM FIGHTER ARMY ?