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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Anonymous (10:31:18 - 17-05)
It were nice wars. Rip all who died on both sides.
Nice move and way to retire Memento famless.
Nice move and way to retire Memento famless.
Anonymous (10:27:46 - 17-05)
Anonymous at 10:25:03 on 17/05:
How about the Gravano war? Gravano only had a total of 60 members yet still the same amount and same core families started a massive attack . way too big even. sure some of the attacking families on vaffancilo would probably shoot at eachother but the core bloodwebs would not shoot eachother. in other words the smallest sidekicks would die and 8 big families would walk home winning.
They didnt just work together now they also did this against Gravano, so everytime someone grows somewhat big you can gangbang them with 12+++ fams? This is called bloodwebbing aka pacting.
Anonymous at 10:15:09 on 17/05:
Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die
Anonymous at 09:28:41 on 17/05:
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Anonymous at 09:14:25 on 17/05:
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
Anonymous at 09:11:52 on 17/05:
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die
How about the Gravano war? Gravano only had a total of 60 members yet still the same amount and same core families started a massive attack . way too big even. sure some of the attacking families on vaffancilo would probably shoot at eachother but the core bloodwebs would not shoot eachother. in other words the smallest sidekicks would die and 8 big families would walk home winning.
They didnt just work together now they also did this against Gravano, so everytime someone grows somewhat big you can gangbang them with 12+++ fams? This is called bloodwebbing aka pacting.
that was first war, high risk of counters. afaik catania righelli and cristeria form a thight group. the others arent blood to eachother
Anonymous at 10:15:27 on 17/05:
Vaffanculo did it just now and left a massive pact that all counterd too behind like shattered glass. sure, vaffanculo is wounded badly but what family wouldnt be after getting shots from 12 different families.
Let me ask you this john, let's say vaffanculo had joined A or B again. Vaffanculo + Gravano would make their side win easy. if they had joined the even bigger pact in catania / righelli it would've been over a week ago already. so in other words vaffanculo didn't just make the game more unpredictable but also extended this version.
You said you were dissapontsd in vaffan, for what? Surviving an attack of 12 families? Not joining Gravano side and make this a 1 war-version? For making a small blood list? For not fighting in a war where none of their bloods were involved in?
Their bloods were attacked a total of 3 times this version and they jumped 3 times + the bloods didn't go down.
so my question: what is SO disapointing?
Last but not least I do agree with the fidelitas man, vaffanculo chose their own path and it worked as far as it could. catania side was way too big in the Gravano war. maybe they'll downscale a bit here.
It's very important for the development of the game that those pacts downscale, the versions reset within 2 months these days. you'll lose players instead of gaining them that way. people hate seeing an A vs B fight and a version reset straight after. people in smaller fams would also like a little casino someday because then they can defend it.
its very ignorant to say this will happen next version, there will always be somewhat bigger sides and pacts but atleast vaffanculo had the guts or the balls like people here like to call it to go their own way and show massive pacts are not needed.
we can only hope families next version can scale down and turn down a blood request for a change.
Johnny at 09:49:05 on 17/05:
Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.
Vaffanculo did it just now and left a massive pact that all counterd too behind like shattered glass. sure, vaffanculo is wounded badly but what family wouldnt be after getting shots from 12 different families.
Let me ask you this john, let's say vaffanculo had joined A or B again. Vaffanculo + Gravano would make their side win easy. if they had joined the even bigger pact in catania / righelli it would've been over a week ago already. so in other words vaffanculo didn't just make the game more unpredictable but also extended this version.
You said you were dissapontsd in vaffan, for what? Surviving an attack of 12 families? Not joining Gravano side and make this a 1 war-version? For making a small blood list? For not fighting in a war where none of their bloods were involved in?
Their bloods were attacked a total of 3 times this version and they jumped 3 times + the bloods didn't go down.
so my question: what is SO disapointing?
Last but not least I do agree with the fidelitas man, vaffanculo chose their own path and it worked as far as it could. catania side was way too big in the Gravano war. maybe they'll downscale a bit here.
It's very important for the development of the game that those pacts downscale, the versions reset within 2 months these days. you'll lose players instead of gaining them that way. people hate seeing an A vs B fight and a version reset straight after. people in smaller fams would also like a little casino someday because then they can defend it.
its very ignorant to say this will happen next version, there will always be somewhat bigger sides and pacts but atleast vaffanculo had the guts or the balls like people here like to call it to go their own way and show massive pacts are not needed.
we can only hope families next version can scale down and turn down a blood request for a change.
Reason why I am disappointed in Vaffanculo is that they repeat mistake they made in past. Vaffanculo never had too many bloods honestly, but instead of looking that as honorable thing families look that as weakness.
We tried this in 3.2 Vaffanculo blooded 5, we as Vinci blooded 5 we ended up getting shot by 20+ families. Same happens now, that's why it's disappointing. Same mistake, same outcome.
Let me tell you, those pacts wont downscale. Cause families are too afraid of it. People hate seeing A vs B fight every version, yet they still do it, all of them still bloods dozen fams and all of them still shoot same families. You can talk about theory and how much better it would be if fams blood only 4-5 and play open but it will never happen cause all what it takes for that to not happen is 2-3 bigger families to say fuck that we will do our thing. Then 1st war comes and you have 15 families shooting 2-3, every version. That's why it wont happen.
Just cause you think it's honorable way and right way to play with 4-5 bloods doesn't mean everyone else will, and in fact if you do it others will look at it as a weakness, not as a good thing.
Vaffa showed that you can't fight those ''pacts'' without even bigger groups of families. They shot Catania and get shot by how many?
Anonymous (10:25:03 - 17-05)
Anonymous at 10:15:09 on 17/05:
Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die
Anonymous at 09:28:41 on 17/05:
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Anonymous at 09:14:25 on 17/05:
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
Anonymous at 09:11:52 on 17/05:
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die
How about the Gravano war? Gravano only had a total of 60 members yet still the same amount and same core families started a massive attack . way too big even. sure some of the attacking families on vaffancilo would probably shoot at eachother but the core bloodwebs would not shoot eachother. in other words the smallest sidekicks would die and 8 big families would walk home winning.
They didnt just work together now they also did this against Gravano, so everytime someone grows somewhat big you can gangbang them with 12+++ fams? This is called bloodwebbing aka pacting.
Anonymous (10:15:27 - 17-05)
Johnny at 09:49:05 on 17/05:
Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.
Vaffanculo did it just now and left a massive pact that all counterd too behind like shattered glass. sure, vaffanculo is wounded badly but what family wouldnt be after getting shots from 12 different families.
Let me ask you this john, let's say vaffanculo had joined A or B again. Vaffanculo + Gravano would make their side win easy. if they had joined the even bigger pact in catania / righelli it would've been over a week ago already. so in other words vaffanculo didn't just make the game more unpredictable but also extended this version.
You said you were dissapontsd in vaffan, for what? Surviving an attack of 12 families? Not joining Gravano side and make this a 1 war-version? For making a small blood list? For not fighting in a war where none of their bloods were involved in?
Their bloods were attacked a total of 3 times this version and they jumped 3 times + the bloods didn't go down.
so my question: what is SO disapointing?
Last but not least I do agree with the fidelitas man, vaffanculo chose their own path and it worked as far as it could. catania side was way too big in the Gravano war. maybe they'll downscale a bit here.
It's very important for the development of the game that those pacts downscale, the versions reset within 2 months these days. you'll lose players instead of gaining them that way. people hate seeing an A vs B fight and a version reset straight after. people in smaller fams would also like a little casino someday because then they can defend it.
its very ignorant to say this will happen next version, there will always be somewhat bigger sides and pacts but atleast vaffanculo had the guts or the balls like people here like to call it to go their own way and show massive pacts are not needed.
we can only hope families next version can scale down and turn down a blood request for a change.
Anonymous (10:15:09 - 17-05)
Anonymous at 09:28:41 on 17/05:
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Anonymous at 09:14:25 on 17/05:
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
Anonymous at 09:11:52 on 17/05:
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Yeh because vaffan had high numbers of ranks, you need a proper ratio to shoot. The fams involved are not even bloods and might up ending shooting eachother. Vaffan was to big and had to die
ElIndio at 08:47:34 on 17/05:
Easy solved Johnny, I'm a member of Caedes and nothing more. Does this mean my words exclude my own Tops? Ofc not.
If you wonder about Fidelitas however, you can contact me on IRC, #caedes
Johnny at 08:34:04 on 17/05:
Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.
Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.
For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.
gode at 08:16:32 on 17/05:
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Anonymous at 05:07:29 on 17/05:
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.
Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.
For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.
Easy solved Johnny, I'm a member of Caedes and nothing more. Does this mean my words exclude my own Tops? Ofc not.
If you wonder about Fidelitas however, you can contact me on IRC, #caedes
3 tops of Venture and Xzone came together in 3.52 to make a new start and founded Fidelitas. In a time Righelli/Lucchese/Marazzino etc. were still a major part of a larger group, we blooded Ilimitada, Righelli and Provenzano. Around the night of the first war in which we died, we became bloods with Wargasm too.
Our choice of avoiding massblooding – not the first time – was naturally not capable of sending a strong message to certain other fams because of reasons on different levels. Here comes into effect what I described about Vaffanculo as “having the means”.
In 4.0 we blooded Ascension (after 1st war), Righelli, Provenzano, Leviticus, Jannisary, Ilimitada and Tempestuoso. We had 7 bloods of which 2 were below #35 on the statistics. Still 7 bloods, but not even comparable with other bloodcircles around back then.
Add to this the fact that our blood policy differed to the ones of our opponents back then in the way that we didn't replace every lost blood with 1-2 new, often big fams. This, despite our disadvantage grewing day by day while we were on the focus for the next big fight(s).
4.0 developed in a way where it was plausible to work together with many fams with which we potentially could end up fighting with. An imaginary example: if the version developed differently we would've been shooting Lucchese or vice versa. A real example: Fidelitas worked a lot together with Vittoria, yet ended up getting killed by them.
And I can tell you we had success with this playing style.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Out of curiosity and for sake of discussion, do you really see this happening? Cause I don't. This happened before, it didn't bring anything new, families didn't blood less or anything.
I'm really curious which of the top families you see accepting short bloodlists as mainstream.
Anonymous (09:39:38 - 17-05)
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Agree, they blooded Memento as well as both wanted to change the political landscape as they were tired from pact A vs B.
At least they try to change game. People blaming them for not being on gravano side whatever lo.
Those people always just want to see pact A vs B thats it?
:')
Anonymous (09:39:21 - 17-05)
End is coming i think liberta co , gravano , kuro and janni will come back and they have power vaffan cancelled old pact and now lib,kuro,gra,janni,messi,ascen make a new pact and hate vaffan :)
Anonymous (09:28:41 - 17-05)
Anonymous at 09:14:25 on 17/05:
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
Anonymous at 09:11:52 on 17/05:
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
that numer was just ment to say they are big but lets look up the topic of Gravano being shot. on grav+impact 12 different families shot. I have not even checked if anyone still countered on Liberta that didn't include those 12 yet.
a few of those 12 fams died, prov, euphoria, ataraxia and since righelli isn't in the list of vaffanculo shooters you'd expect 8 fams to be countering vaffan. yet still 12 families have fired bullets at vaffanculo. This indicates the pact is even bigger.
I mean if prov+ would be alive it now would be 16 families that would shoot at vaffanculo. a bit much don't you think?
Anonymous (09:14:25 - 17-05)
Anonymous at 09:11:52 on 17/05:
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
15 fam pact? and who would that be?
Anonymous (09:12:57 - 17-05)
and again,anyone ever in omerta history saw bulgarian pussies giddiness and lazial and other pussies to shoot in first wave or war ? Answer is newer,they play game for fun of msging and hp' changing with each other.Every vers same story they stand and look everybody killing themself,then they maybe kill 5.6 alrdy dead wounded targets,and then they start to think about ver victory loool and how they are smart.Also they sold bloods many many times,sold me also.problem is they sold so many bloods they can newer figure out who is writting this,the list is so long.
cmon pussies show your heir between legs
cmon pussies show your heir between legs
Anonymous (09:11:52 - 17-05)
Vaffan would've probably had less than 5 bloods if there wouldn't be a 15 family pact up. but yeah its better to see vaffan without Gravano+ because then this pact would probably grow to like 20 families to try shoot them down.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
This 12 family attack on Gravano pact was overkill too, hopefully your side will shrink too next version so guys like me in mini families can actually do a war of our own now and then too.
Johnny at 08:34:04 on 17/05:
Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.
Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.
For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.
gode at 08:16:32 on 17/05:
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Anonymous at 05:07:29 on 17/05:
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.
Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.
For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.
Easy solved Johnny, I'm a member of Caedes and nothing more. Does this mean my words exclude my own Tops? Ofc not.
If you wonder about Fidelitas however, you can contact me on IRC, #caedes
gode at 08:16:32 on 17/05:
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Anonymous at 05:07:29 on 17/05:
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Back in the days Vinci had 5 bloods max (Conflict, Vaffanculo, Gravano, Liberta, Talamasca). What Elindio is saying is legit, it's still bullshit. You want to play with 4-5 bloods, go for it play it but don't come here saying you're doing it right while at same time he has 7 (or more) bloods.
Also in 3.3 Vinci had same amount of bloods Caedes has now.
For the record I never said Elindio started this massblooding, and you're quite naive if you think Vinci or Conflict started it. What I said without logging in is that it's hypocritical to talk about how awesome job is Vaffa doing with blooding only 5 while you're shooting them. At same time you have 7 bloods. Props to those who blood less.
Anonymous at 05:07:29 on 17/05:
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
Such a hypocrisy is rarely seen.
You and your family are part of the whole mass blooding problem, and it's funny that you encourage family that left your ''enemy'' side for doing that. Be the change you wanna see, so if you want to see less bloods don't blood damn 7 families, don't play with your little new pact, grow balls and play with 3-4 bloods as you suggest. Then come on this site and preach about it.
Elindio didn't started this massblooding, actions of Vincitori&Conflict started that back in 3.3 (i mean massblooding and a big blood-chain) Back in that days venture had 4/5 bloods max (levi,xone,dig,ili +-2 fams)
Anonymous (08:14:15 - 17-05)
ElIndio at 01:18:40 on 17/05:
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
A radical choice was made by Vaffanculo when they decided not to blood Gravano and Liberta. By making this move they created a huge opportunity for opening the political landscape, which might result in many sides and immanently to this, a strong unpredictability of wars and their outcomes, bringing back the fun considered gone for a long time now.
Vaffanculo advanced as pioneer; they had the means, and more to the point, the mentality to make such a step. If they will not back off from this way even risking fatal consequences, things might go upward.
A start has been made. Competent Tops feeling a certain level of responsibility will read this step correctly and make similar bold steps. Decrease your amount of bloods, keep good relations to those you did not blood this time, work together, and if needed, shoot them. Be your self, be a personality.
You are 1 of the biggest reasons behind this "mass blooding & stupid tops" - I know you can't be anything else than you but you can avoid mass blooding "as showing a path"...
Anonymous (06:59:25 - 17-05)
rip all who died
version is open again
go go go rerank and buy dc
version is open again
go go go rerank and buy dc