Well, you are calling me dumb because I did not know about the abuse. :p

Likewise, I also consider you a friend and a great player. Like I explained in a previous post, the way they laundered the money did not raise any flags. If you want, PM me on IRC and I can explain a few other things but, I wont here. People either believe me or they dont. Since your a friend, I would love the opportunity to convince you in private. ;)

I am not calling you dumb ReBorN, as I see you as a friend and a good player. But saying that none of the others knew about the bug accounts is either plane lying or acting dumb.

My guess is that you guys turned the blind eye against it, just overlooking it because it was for the greater good of the fam, I would do that also if anyone in my fam had a bug. But saying that NONE else than the actual buggers knew about it is just hard to belive.

stop this shit, any rumors?

Sorry that I drew that conclusion. It just appeared to me that you were suggesting that I should have known or else I was "dumb" like Redspeert subsequently suggested.

Like I tried explaining, the only way to keep a bug like that active is to hide it from as many people as possible. Dont get me wrong, I am angry it took place and intimately downed the family. However, knowing what I know now, I can not say Im angry that they were doing it.

Cheating is an epidemic in this game. When you have thousands of players (most probably dupes) playing a MAFIA game, of course a lot of them will think they are badass and try to cheat. Back in the days of massive scripting, most tops acknowledged that most families had at lease SOME scripters in their family. And today, with bug abuse and dupes (and still some scripters) I think the same is true. To suggest most families play fair is simply delusional. And the simple fact of the matter is, how many akills do we see these days? Maybe .5% of the player base? The admins are failing at their job HARD.

And as far as suggesting trust issues in the Top, that couldnt be further from the truth. The only reason we all keep playing is for each other. Like I said, if you want to keep exploiting bugs like that you have to keep them as secret as possible. I was good friends with Zenga. He scripted for many versions and it was only near the very end before it became publicly obvious that he told me about it.

Bottom line, I trust these Tops 100%. Some cheaters, some fair but, I trust them and I wouldnt want to play with anyone else.

And to be honest I received maybe 15 million so that is not that strange to get from your family when you are Bruglione..

Sorry Moesasji I disagree, like ReBorN said they had a good object, a few good pokerplayers and members who spended time and cash (lackeys) to familybank before first war.

What counts for me is the fact that this game has bugs makes another person greedy. Whois to blame the persons that became greedy or the company behind the game that could fix it from our dc's?

I'm not calling you an idiot like you suggest. Of course it is possible you didn't know about the abuses going on but you have to acknowledge that the most likely scenario is that fellow tops of the abuser would have, at least some idea, that something was going on and you cant blame people for reaching that conclusion. It sounds strange to me that you would hide what you were up to from your own tops. If that was the case sounds like there was a serious trust issue inside your top which jeopardised the family you were all working for (downed the fam) and people should be rightfully angry. I can at least say that if someone is cheating in Levi - all Levi tops are gonna know about it.

For the version to be completely open we need to see Marazzino or Tattaglia falling, it would be awesome to see Marazzino vs Tattaglia, is that possible?

He pasted his wins and losses in the Top channel all day long. Who knows, maybe he made them up, I dont know. But what I was seeing appeared legit at the time.

Just cos someone puts 200m poker games on their profile doesnt mean that they have won it...tbh it was a perfect cover...

Sensje i have to agree with red on this. If you are a top and your fellow top procures 100's of millions out of thin air you must at the very least KNOW something is up. And it is exactly that kind of attitude that has always been a problem in this game, many tops knowingly and willingly love to turn a blind eye to cheaters if they think it is in their advantage.

Why do you think this bug was around for so long? Because only a handful of people knew about it. Once too many people find out about it, it will be too widely abused and eventually become "public".

Cmon, your not an idiot, so please dont assume Im one either. When have I ever been proven to be a liar in this game? Ask anyone and they will tell you I always speak the truth. Simply because we are in the same Top doesnt mean they share their exploits with me.

More people cheat in this game then either you or I even realize. Whether its mass duping, scripting or bug abusing. Cheating in this game is rampant! I can guarantee you that some of the very same people you play with claim to be honest players but actually cheat like crazy behind your back!

Through my years in Omerta I have met players that I found to be honorable, stand-up people. Only to find out one or two versions later that they were cheaters. Everyone plays a game here whether it be some dude pretending to be a hot chick or some dirty cheater pretending to be a great player.

You can think what you want about me, I dont care. And of course, you have no way of knowing if Im telling the truth or not. However, why would I sit here and admit the bug was used but deny knowing it existed? What does that get me? Nothing. Yes, some of our Top abused a bug. As honest as I am in that statement, this one is equally honest: Just as many people in our Top was very angry the bug was used, and didnt know the bug was used as there were people in our Top who were using it. Just goes to show, not all of us knew.

And as far as the hundreds of millions that were being spread around, we won a TON of money with our casino's. Italien also won hundreds of millions on poker. So most of it appeared to be legitimate at the time.

Dont assume to know me and dont assume Im an idiot. Like I said, I do not lie in this game. When I give someone my word, I keep it.


Dumb? Ouch, that hurts Redspeert. Let me give you an example of why I didnt realize what was happening:

During the 11-01 war, my account died very early (2nd wave I think). I immediately started a new account. Since I was going to be online for several more hours, and it looked very grim for us, I told everyone to send me the family cash they had (Family Bank, Casino's, etc) so I could fund the shooters throughout the war.

Simply collecting the Family Bank and Casino's, I had 700m. None of that money came from any of the bug abusers. Most of it came from the accounts that are still alive today, our object holders. So when I knew for a fact that our casino's made a ton of money, along with other Tops gambling and winning a ton of money, why would I suspect anything?

Dumb? lol now i feel numb when you all read and type things just to point 1 fingers..Gees Go point them to the game, no updates, no cash spend to improve it???

Well, you gotta be pretty dumb if you don't notice something is weird when your fellow tops send out houndred of mil's that is not coming from objects.

Do you always know things from others?? Got a glas ball or something?

So you didn't think it was strange and ask any questions when your don (and fellow top of Lucchese) continued to produce 100's upon 100's of millions outta thin air? xD SUREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE you didnt know :')

Well, the way I see it, the biggest question is, which is the bigger minority admins or honest players.

In all fairness, whoever has played clean thus far and has not made up his mind about retiring or will not start cheating themselves, well I guess those will keep on playing no matter what.

This crew has proven their incompetence to deal with cheaters over and over and over again. And yes, it's usually the same bunch of families that get to know those bugs and milk them.

get ready with pop corn for tonight
admnis vs cheaters
angry players vs admnins
honest players vs cheaters

:w

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wtf?

Personally, I never used it. Didnt even know about it until yesterday. And so far this version has had a ton of "red" wars and a huge scandal, and you consider that boring? Dont let the hate cloud your judgement.