FlowzZ at 12:18:35 on 23/10:

First of all its not a pact its just fams with loyal and understanding bloods but nowadays they pray your bloods not to jump and when they do they are called lickers, different from 3.2 when turkuz levi gamb vio etc. were shooting together and u had turkuz tops here claiming they sort of pact and were jerking to that situation thinking it would never last (will get to that later ) , and no its not the numbers of fams that we (im in grav so u know) blood, let me give u a fast example on how this partially started , we finished #1 3.0 and in good cooperation with krays and dig (sort of winning , aint claiming it since there are a billion arguments on how a fam can win a version) , in 3.1 we went different ways and straight away became targets of diff fams , on that time u had two sides 'on traditional beef' with each other , conflict side (with invo+crist) and vinci/grav one , and also fams like nazd (on that time)and a bunch of others who were used to that style of game just waiting for those two big blocks shoot each other and then come shoot the left overs and claim victory , then you are left humiliated for giving such effort to this game and for your position wasted to it just so some low lifer can shoot you empty or damaged (same as will happen to us this version since we killed so many targets and kind of overdid ourselves in such early stage) , ok 3.1 over now comes 3.2 , after seeing how those people like to play and just wait for their big chance , we blooded with conf and they started panicking , this is the gangbang they planned on us news.omertabeyond.com/30 , failed due to KA favoring defenders side (lucky us) , but it didnt end in there since attackers were still in that proportion even on second attack and even third . we can skip versions since we were on/off in those and jump to this current one , we started after pauses and had lots of request from fams to blood since politics changed etc. there again first targets of those fams , levi co were supposed to shoot we got the info and shot first , not our fault their bloods didnt jump neither the fams that were supposed to join their attack on some of us (im not talking on 10 fams here no) , just grav alone shot 30+ targets in those two wars of that day , then you have the so called organized attack on us without so much casualties as expected , also AGAIN not our fault kuro (no idea what they did or how they did) but sort of sold the attackers and made it obvious that they just want to shoot meme+ , nazd feels betrayed and offers nonshoot and promises something ( which i know they wont keep its nazd after all ) , leaving the remaining attackers to get downed by those remaining attackers we had left. I can go on and on but i am finishing this by telling you that its not our fault we manage to build the trust of other people by standing up for our bloods , building a decent fam , and loving to shoot . after all we've been playing this game for so long , whats there to be lost. i tried not to involve hate/bash/disrespect in my comment and hopefully left it some way that we can debate over it (OB news needs it too )

Anonymous at 11:43:02 on 23/10:

well FlowzZ i put the effort to explain you what i mean. so maybe you could do the same. i think i gave a decent view on the current situation. tell me where you disagree, so we can have a debat that is relevant in stead of all the flaming and bashing on this site.

Aart at 12:41:26 on 23/10:

Yes your wrong, im not in one of those fams mr anon. I'm neither a defender of the 'pact side' nor a pro 'pact side'. The thing is i'm kinda allergic to the word pact and people like you who are creating this image of massblooding and pacting.
I had a talk with bramble about this crap and why this shitty game keeps resetting every friggin 3 months. Other families (next to your so called pact fams) are starting a manhunt on the pact fams every start of a version... ever wondered why they pact sherlock? players are dragging previous versions into new versions... whether families change their names, their tops or spread out, people like you will still tag those players as pact and hunt them down.
I do not blame your so called pact families for screwing this game up, i blame people like you.

Aart at 12:41:26 on 23/10:

Yes your wrong, im not in one of those fams mr anon. I'm neither a defender of the 'pact side' nor a pro 'pact side'. The thing is i'm kinda allergic to the word pact and people like you who are creating this image of massblooding and pacting.
I had a talk with bramble about this crap and why this shitty game keeps resetting every friggin 3 months. Other families (next to your so called pact fams) are starting a manhunt on the pact fams every start of a version... ever wondered why they pact sherlock? players are dragging previous versions into new versions... whether families change their names, their tops or spread out, people like you will still tag those players as pact and hunt them down.
I do not blame your so called pact families for screwing this game up, i blame people like you.

Anonymous at 12:28:36 on 23/10:

lol kidding right? i seen you posting here as a "defender" of pact, everytime the word pact shows up here you feel the strong need to deny that or comment on it. so im pretty sure you must be in one of those fams. So you should know. but i could be wrong tho.

I wont be naming fams here, because all named fams come on here and give various reasons why they cant be a pact fam. that wont help anyone. everybody knows there is 6/7 fams who are the core of this pact + some fams that are supportive towards pact (call them the asslickers if you like).

these core fams are formed of fams/players/tops of former so called pussypact. just a different setup. So what is happening now is not a surprise, it even makes sense as these fams had succes together and will always be friendly to eachother. the damage has been done a few versions ago, its sad but true, other fams simply dont have the playerbase compete with this pact.

Aart at 12:12:22 on 23/10:

please tell me, which fams are pact again? the fact that some families (players) are loyal to friends (thus bloods) is a rare thing in this game. this isn't pacting, this is just the thing that some families are missing and are therefor failing.

Anonymous at 11:43:02 on 23/10:

well FlowzZ i put the effort to explain you what i mean. so maybe you could do the same. i think i gave a decent view on the current situation. tell me where you disagree, so we can have a debat that is relevant in stead of all the flaming and bashing on this site.

Anonymous at 11:43:02 on 23/10:

well FlowzZ i put the effort to explain you what i mean. so maybe you could do the same. i think i gave a decent view on the current situation. tell me where you disagree, so we can have a debat that is relevant in stead of all the flaming and bashing on this site.

FlowzZ at 11:35:42 on 23/10:

We've been through this a lot of times i'm not even gonna bother explaining how game got into this point , but so u know since we are at this version , same were about to happen to 'pact' fams if they didnt shoot first , and idk who said before Panna or someone that be happy that these fams shoot bullets , i myself give up on some version when fams who didnt shoot a bullet and hugged all version long come at top and claim victory by cleaning left over fams .

FlowzZ at 11:35:42 on 23/10:

We've been through this a lot of times i'm not even gonna bother explaining how game got into this point , but so u know since we are at this version , same were about to happen to 'pact' fams if they didnt shoot first , and idk who said before Panna or someone that be happy that these fams shoot bullets , i myself give up on some version when fams who didnt shoot a bullet and hugged all version long come at top and claim victory by cleaning left over fams .

Anonymous at 10:43:13 on 23/10:

well for starters this following sutiation, at this point this side (so called pact) has blooded so many fams over the years. that you kinda need half omerta to take them down. if you look at previous versions this only happend once (last version) and i doubt they will let this happen again. after this happend it was a nice open version with options for everyone.

on top of that, its hard to organise wars against pact because because of their bloodingstratagy you need a shitload of fams to kill them (this is hard to organise, because onlike pact, other fams refuse to participate in this massblooding). so in order to kill them other fams need to work with fams they also consider enemies. Result: fams who have the balls to stand up against this huge pact, go on useless missions (Destination suicide, Mysterious useless attack).

And this pacting is not a problem of today it started a few versions ago, and they had succes with it obviously. at this point pact fams are very loyal to eachother and i want to give them credit for that.

So in the end, there is 2 ways to win a vers from pact.

1. kill them in the beginning (with many unrelated fams) and have a nice open version after with more sides

2. start pacting yourselves and become bigger, stronger etc. (many fams refuse to do so) because they believe this is not how the game should be played.

im not flaming/bashing/whining (or what ever people will say) at pact, im just saying how the situation is atm

o/

FlowzZ at 10:22:26 on 23/10:

So you mean fams that have potential to be in top15 and shot so much at this early stage of war should die so the game is played as its supposed to be played ?

Care to explain how this is supposed to be played again? cuz im sure im missing something u seem so certain about it .

Anonymous at 09:37:32 on 23/10:
after this weekend we can conclude `pact´ did a very nice job, they got attacked by several fams, they stood up for eachother and are still alive and kicking. It will take them some time to rebuild but they will show up again with 7-8 fams (could be more) in top15.

Lets see if next version half omerta combined can take out pact at start (like last version) so after that we can all start playing this game like it is suppose to be played