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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Anonymous (01:02:05 - 27-08)
irc down ?
zenga at 21:00:37 on 26/08:
From: Overeem
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
From: Overeem
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
man I miss those days where we would sent mass dhp 5 minutes before the update to make the most dishonered person get a 10% overall punish on monday ...
Anonymous (00:05:26 - 27-08)
zeveroare at 20:55:12 on 26/08:
Vaffanculo has been out of the game for a fair few versions now, they better get over us soon.
Anonymous at 11:15:40 on 26/08:
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
zeveroare at 15:31:25 on 25/08:
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
Anonymous at 07:26:43 on 25/08:
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
Vaffanculo has been out of the game for a fair few versions now, they better get over us soon.
Core of vaffanculo is now in Marangello. So I do not distinguish between those fams.
Same shit, different...
Anonymous (21:55:54 - 26-08)
zenga at 21:00:37 on 26/08:
From: Overeem
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
From: Overeem
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
zenga (21:00:37 - 26-08)
From: Overeem
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
Type: Family
Sent: 26-Aug @ 20:35:56
HEA BEYLER
Anonymous zaaaa 25-08 @ 08:51 Dishonour -140
Subzero (none) 25-08 @ 08:49 Honour 1
Anonymous zaaaaa 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -199
Anonymous ZAAAA 25-08 @ 08:47 Dishonour -280
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -140
Anonymous ZAAAAA 25-08 @ 08:45 Dishonour -200
HP AT OVEREEM PLS
SENT THIS WEEK YOUR HP TO OVEREEM CAUSE HE DID GET ALOT DHP
SAGOL
----------
so I had some spare HP left
Last 10 honour points sent
To Message Week Type Number
Overeem (none) 26-08 @ 20:58 Dishonour -1260
Anonymous at 11:15:40 on 26/08:
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
zeveroare at 15:31:25 on 25/08:
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
Anonymous at 07:26:43 on 25/08:
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
Vaffanculo has been out of the game for a fair few versions now, they better get over us soon.
fofo (18:37:23 - 26-08)
Influente were next
Lametamp (18:01:28 - 26-08)
Pr 26-08-2012 16:30:43 First Lady Destination
Volbeat 26-08-2012 16:30:43 Bruglione Tempestuoso
LoL that what ya get when you always hiding ... i geuss soon more will follow , .. they tired of watching suffering bloods and backstabbing xD
Volbeat 26-08-2012 16:30:43 Bruglione Tempestuoso
LoL that what ya get when you always hiding ... i geuss soon more will follow , .. they tired of watching suffering bloods and backstabbing xD
i have the feeling all the fams are going on all the anon's
would be great :)
would be great :)
Burnn (16:57:00 - 26-08)
Anonymous at 16:22:32 on 26/08:
Krays + Maraz + Provenzano + Censored + Levitivus vs. Venutti
coming to theaters tonight
Krays + Maraz + Provenzano + Censored + Levitivus vs. Venutti
coming to theaters tonight
hah and u are ?.. Anonymous better show ur name before talking anything ;) ..( BULLSHIT)
Anonymous (16:22:32 - 26-08)
Krays + Maraz + Provenzano + Censored + Levitivus vs. Venutti
coming to theaters tonight
coming to theaters tonight
Anonymous (15:46:00 - 26-08)
Anonymous at 11:15:40 on 26/08:
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
zeveroare at 15:31:25 on 25/08:
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
Anonymous at 07:26:43 on 25/08:
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
"Never put all your eggs in 1 basket (even your own)" thats your fault for "trusting" them like that. So stop your whining pls :)
Anonymous (13:18:29 - 26-08)
Carpe+ gonna hir on krays tonight :w
Anonymous (11:15:40 - 26-08)
zeveroare at 15:31:25 on 25/08:
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
Anonymous at 07:26:43 on 25/08:
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Well 3.1 cemented their reputation as backstabbers, that can't be trusted. And this version their list of bloods that died without Nazdro doing shit was quite long again.
And those reputations can have quite some influence.
Just remember last version, after the DDos, the first reaction of quite a few players, especially those outside the so-called "pact", was: Vaffanculo (or their succesor Fam Marangello)... Why? Because they have gained the reputation as biggest cheat fam around. And noone blamed Conflict, though it was one of their guys who pulled it off.
So in short, yeah, Nazdrovia won 3.1, fair and square. But no family around really trusts them anymore. Was it worth it? Ask Yama.
Funny.
So many fams have so many cheaters yet Vaffan would win the contest?
Also, Marangello is not a succesor fam. They were around long enough too.
Anyway...
I did not say, they are worse, than likesay Lucchese, or Conflict or Maraz.
Vaffan just has that reputation now, and they did quite a bit in the past, to earn that reputation.
Just like Nazdrovia has the reputation as backstabbers and family one should better not place too much trust in.
Reset-o-meter (03:46:35 - 26-08)
Version is dead reset it people \o/
lollaaaaaaa at 19:52:16 on 25/08:
imoimo ... Yama i will laufg my ass off ..
1: Naz is a lowsy fam so is Maskado 2
he wanted a war but asking both sides about ... lmao just for be sure what side he want take
2: you are deffinding yourself to hard and that makes you also a joke hahaha
go go i w8 for your replay xD
and yes .. glad they are history :D
imo
shell at 19:11:43 on 25/08:
Well, in 2.7 you guys asked Righelli/Curse to be bloods, just one difference is, your family name was ninja back then. Zenga can also confirm this as he was also part of the conversation.
You are right about anonymorons though :p
yamaguchi at 17:47:13 on 25/08:
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
Well, in 2.7 you guys asked Righelli/Curse to be bloods, just one difference is, your family name was ninja back then. Zenga can also confirm this as he was also part of the conversation.
You are right about anonymorons though :p
1: Naz is a lowsy fam so is Maskado 2
he wanted a war but asking both sides about ... lmao just for be sure what side he want take
2: you are deffinding yourself to hard and that makes you also a joke hahaha
go go i w8 for your replay xD
and yes .. glad they are history :D
i love you too, i dont defend myself , im a backstaber+liar, everything is lie here only truth is you
well i meant we didnt beg for it, ofc we did some wars together,
vinci&nazd bloodship i dont remember,
ninja&curse was true, but letalis made that deal + ninja wasnot pure nazdrovia it was anadolu+nazd+prestige bla bla..
Families work together, i do not hide that, but i know many families just blooding to keep families away from em, or just tryin to blood conflict or vinci to share possible victory with em, i meant we arent one of em, and i respect vincitori too, i know even if they are last on family list, they can convince many against ya, so that influence make families big, not the position of family or bloodlist, thats what i was trying to say
this game is really waste of time, also clever ppl left the game and now it became bullshit
vinci&nazd bloodship i dont remember,
ninja&curse was true, but letalis made that deal + ninja wasnot pure nazdrovia it was anadolu+nazd+prestige bla bla..
Families work together, i do not hide that, but i know many families just blooding to keep families away from em, or just tryin to blood conflict or vinci to share possible victory with em, i meant we arent one of em, and i respect vincitori too, i know even if they are last on family list, they can convince many against ya, so that influence make families big, not the position of family or bloodlist, thats what i was trying to say
this game is really waste of time, also clever ppl left the game and now it became bullshit
lollaaaaaaa (19:52:16 - 25-08)
imo
shell at 19:11:43 on 25/08:
Well, in 2.7 you guys asked Righelli/Curse to be bloods, just one difference is, your family name was ninja back then. Zenga can also confirm this as he was also part of the conversation.
You are right about anonymorons though :p
yamaguchi at 17:47:13 on 25/08:
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
Well, in 2.7 you guys asked Righelli/Curse to be bloods, just one difference is, your family name was ninja back then. Zenga can also confirm this as he was also part of the conversation.
You are right about anonymorons though :p
1: Naz is a lowsy fam so is Maskado 2
he wanted a war but asking both sides about ... lmao just for be sure what side he want take
2: you are deffinding yourself to hard and that makes you also a joke hahaha
go go i w8 for your replay xD
and yes .. glad they are history :D
shell (19:11:43 - 25-08)
yamaguchi at 17:47:13 on 25/08:
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
well, if you ask me im regretful cuz of my wasted times, and we didnt backstab anyone but if i play again id like to backstab and fck behind all of you noobs who talks from ass like you anonymouses,
someone says ="they backstab" then all of you play same record..
Im telling someone (nonblood family):"I dont shoot you then somehow we shootem"..
Is it backstab? If all game asks you:"You gonna shoot us rite?"..
What do you say?
1.Yes we will shoot 22.00 OT
2.No
You always have something to say but i always have more than you, cuz i was playing and killing but you were just talking and criticising us,
we never went to affins,confs or any other powerful families door to become bloods or to work together.
but except us almost everyone did that. I always defend one thing:our enemies makes us bigger and stronger so more hater more power, you idiots never get that , and you dont get one more thing that we dont afraid of dying
And i advice you all to stop blaming eachother do something on your own, i see many fams whine here they say : he backstabed she backstabed, like otherwise they were going to pwn all rounds..
Fact is you are losers and even they dont backstab you cannot win, get this 1st
Well, in 2.7 you guys asked Righelli/Curse to be bloods, just one difference is, your family name was ninja back then. Zenga can also confirm this as he was also part of the conversation.
You are right about anonymorons though :p
... (18:27:29 - 25-08)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhMpaOeg8mw