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Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
Everyone knows where this section is for, keep it clean from flaming and only posts in english are allowed.
zenga (12:34:30 - 03-05)
Smul (11:54:42 - 03-05)
zenga at 11:24:54 on 03/05:
they wrote: 'The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target'. I don't see why they only want the don to be able to hire cheap dets according to your logic. Doesn't make much sense either way.
they wrote: 'The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target'. I don't see why they only want the don to be able to hire cheap dets according to your logic. Doesn't make much sense either way.
Isn't that quote pretty much what I explained? If the don has 15k more HPs, than the target he wants to hire on, he'll get them pretty much for free.
Maybe they wanna track movement of certain people throughout the day, maybe they wanna stalk BF owners. There are more possible reasons to it then just the "hire detecs in war time".
And yeah, it wouldn't be my strategy either, but to each his own.
zenga (11:24:54 - 03-05)
Smul at 11:15:30 on 03/05:
They aren't actually talking about the cheaper detecs due to CDTC rank. They are talking about HPs = cheaper detecs to hire, that's where the difference comes from if you hire detecs on 2 different people.
For example you have 3k HPs, the first target has 6k HPs and the second has 1k HPs. Base amount of detecs is $2000 each, the first target will become more expensive than $2000(has more HPs than you), the second target will become cheaper than $2000 for each detec.
So HPs aren't just cosmetic, they still have a purpose.
They aren't actually talking about the cheaper detecs due to CDTC rank. They are talking about HPs = cheaper detecs to hire, that's where the difference comes from if you hire detecs on 2 different people.
For example you have 3k HPs, the first target has 6k HPs and the second has 1k HPs. Base amount of detecs is $2000 each, the first target will become more expensive than $2000(has more HPs than you), the second target will become cheaper than $2000 for each detec.
So HPs aren't just cosmetic, they still have a purpose.
they wrote: 'The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target'. I don't see why they only want the don to be able to hire cheap dets according to your logic. Doesn't make much sense either way.
Smul (11:15:30 - 03-05)
Downhill|Mobile at 07:03:39 on 03/05:
Kinda funny that ppl still thinks hps has some influence on CDTC status bc it doesn't.
User: Reywal / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 6,048
User: Ivan / / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 5,567
Quess whois CDTC :/ Anyway gl with asking for hps. And for the comment about Turkish game style Let them achieve smtg in the game xD
Hps only looks nice nothing more if it was my call i would have remove that shit long time ago ;)
Happy ranking all o//
Kinda funny that ppl still thinks hps has some influence on CDTC status bc it doesn't.
User: Reywal / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 6,048
User: Ivan / / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 5,567
Quess whois CDTC :/ Anyway gl with asking for hps. And for the comment about Turkish game style Let them achieve smtg in the game xD
Hps only looks nice nothing more if it was my call i would have remove that shit long time ago ;)
Happy ranking all o//
They aren't actually talking about the cheaper detecs due to CDTC rank. They are talking about HPs = cheaper detecs to hire, that's where the difference comes from if you hire detecs on 2 different people.
For example you have 3k HPs, the first target has 6k HPs and the second has 1k HPs. Base amount of detecs is $2000 each, the first target will become more expensive than $2000(has more HPs than you), the second target will become cheaper than $2000 for each detec.
So HPs aren't just cosmetic, they still have a purpose.
zenga (10:42:01 - 03-05)
lackeys bugged? turned him on somewhere last night ... (as chief)
Lackey Name Freekowtski
Lackey Role Drugs
Cost Per Action 1 Credits
Status hired
Credits 176
RP earned 18
Money $369157
City Chicago
3-05-2012 10:32:23 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 06:32:15 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 02:32:20 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 02:02:13 Your family took $2,033
03-05-2012 02:02:13 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $18,293
03-05-2012 02:01:23 Freekowtski has arrived in Chicago. This travel cost him $878
03-05-2012 01:57:05 Freekowtski is too stoned and forgot where his stash is. He says he'll get his shit together in a moment.
03-05-2012 01:37:07 Jail sentence complete: Freekowtski was released
03-05-2012 01:22:07 While Freekowtski was trying to sell his stuff he got caught. Now he's in jail!
03-05-2012 01:21:07 Freekowtski has arrived in Philadelphia. This travel cost him $155
03-05-2012 00:47:08 Freekowtski just bought 1 of cocaine for $14,766
03-05-2012 00:47:08 Because Freekowtski is getting tired he can only get 1 packs for now!
03-05-2012 00:46:08 Freekowtski has arrived in Baltimore. This travel cost him $5,025
03-05-2012 00:12:07 Your family took $2,271
03-05-2012 00:12:07 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $20,443
03-05-2012 00:11:08 Freekowtski has arrived in Corleone. This travel cost him $4,875
03-05-2012 00:01:35 Freekowtski just bought 1 of cocaine for $16,251
03-05-2012 00:01:35 Because Freekowtski is getting tired he can only get 1 packs for now!
02-05-2012 23:37:12 Your family took $2,118
02-05-2012 23:37:12 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $19,058
Lackey Name Freekowtski
Lackey Role Drugs
Cost Per Action 1 Credits
Status hired
Credits 176
RP earned 18
Money $369157
City Chicago
3-05-2012 10:32:23 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 06:32:15 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 02:32:20 Freekowtski is too tired for now, he needs to sleep a little before trying new deals!
03-05-2012 02:02:13 Your family took $2,033
03-05-2012 02:02:13 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $18,293
03-05-2012 02:01:23 Freekowtski has arrived in Chicago. This travel cost him $878
03-05-2012 01:57:05 Freekowtski is too stoned and forgot where his stash is. He says he'll get his shit together in a moment.
03-05-2012 01:37:07 Jail sentence complete: Freekowtski was released
03-05-2012 01:22:07 While Freekowtski was trying to sell his stuff he got caught. Now he's in jail!
03-05-2012 01:21:07 Freekowtski has arrived in Philadelphia. This travel cost him $155
03-05-2012 00:47:08 Freekowtski just bought 1 of cocaine for $14,766
03-05-2012 00:47:08 Because Freekowtski is getting tired he can only get 1 packs for now!
03-05-2012 00:46:08 Freekowtski has arrived in Baltimore. This travel cost him $5,025
03-05-2012 00:12:07 Your family took $2,271
03-05-2012 00:12:07 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $20,443
03-05-2012 00:11:08 Freekowtski has arrived in Corleone. This travel cost him $4,875
03-05-2012 00:01:35 Freekowtski just bought 1 of cocaine for $16,251
03-05-2012 00:01:35 Because Freekowtski is getting tired he can only get 1 packs for now!
02-05-2012 23:37:12 Your family took $2,118
02-05-2012 23:37:12 Freekowtski sold the stuff for a final profit of $19,058
Anonymous (09:46:34 - 03-05)
Anonymous at 22:52:53 on 30/04:
Sure it's skills, tho i doubt it's gambling skills. Considering yout a smartass and are working for apple. I think that your computer skills got more to do with it then gambling ;)
Mickay at 22:24:09 on 30/04:
I'm presently up ~300mil on BJ and have emptied 14 tables in the past 5 weeks. You can ask anyone who owned a table and had an MB of over 2mil up til last week how long it took before they lost their table, I have logs to support it, and up until last week I had a public warning in my profile that was updated live. Give me the respect i deserve and quit whining cuz you don't have my skills. Out bitches.
-Patton
I'm presently up ~300mil on BJ and have emptied 14 tables in the past 5 weeks. You can ask anyone who owned a table and had an MB of over 2mil up til last week how long it took before they lost their table, I have logs to support it, and up until last week I had a public warning in my profile that was updated live. Give me the respect i deserve and quit whining cuz you don't have my skills. Out bitches.
-Patton
Sure it's skills, tho i doubt it's gambling skills. Considering yout a smartass and are working for apple. I think that your computer skills got more to do with it then gambling ;)
Anonymous (09:41:04 - 03-05)
lol no wars yet, no one shooting, no one doing anything. Ridiculous game really, and lame players.
I am thankful that I did not play this version and didn't even start an account.
P.S: Before being bashed and told "you don't play yet you come to this website blabla", well no I do not play, and I was looking through my bookmarks and saw beyond and just clicked on it to see whats going on lately.
I am thankful that I did not play this version and didn't even start an account.
P.S: Before being bashed and told "you don't play yet you come to this website blabla", well no I do not play, and I was looking through my bookmarks and saw beyond and just clicked on it to see whats going on lately.
Downhill|Mobile (07:03:39 - 03-05)
zenga at 00:35:25 on 03/05:
There is a difference between reminding your members and ordering your members ('we want you to ...). And the only reason is cheaper dets, in a version where due to lackeys everyone has plenty of money. But then again, it's a fail game design that causes this, as most hp should not give any advantage, it should be a sign for the most respected players.
ReBorN at 15:04:17 on 02/05:
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
luchese.squad msg at 14:24:17 on 02/05:
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
Kinda funny that ppl still thinks hps has some influence on CDTC status bc it doesn't.
User: Reywal / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 6,048
User: Ivan / / (Add to your friends list)
Rank: Bruglione
Honour points: 5,567
Quess whois CDTC :/ Anyway gl with asking for hps. And for the comment about Turkish game style Let them achieve smtg in the game xD
Hps only looks nice nothing more if it was my call i would have remove that shit long time ago ;)
Happy ranking all o//
zenga (00:35:25 - 03-05)
ReBorN at 15:04:17 on 02/05:
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
luchese.squad msg at 14:24:17 on 02/05:
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
Impact (19:13:32 - 02-05)
Mickay at 19:00:41 on 02/05:
I think I would be disappointed in myself if I DIDNT abuse bugs... who doesn't love a good akill once in a while!?
Pritalex at 17:41:00 on 02/05:
Weren't they supposed to be abusing bugs?
anonyme at 16:50:02 on 02/05:
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
Anonymous at 09:26:53 on 02/05:
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
I think I would be disappointed in myself if I DIDNT abuse bugs... who doesn't love a good akill once in a while!?
You're in the Danger Zone!
Mickay (19:00:41 - 02-05)
Pritalex at 17:41:00 on 02/05:
Weren't they supposed to be abusing bugs?
anonyme at 16:50:02 on 02/05:
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
Anonymous at 09:26:53 on 02/05:
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
I think I would be disappointed in myself if I DIDNT abuse bugs... who doesn't love a good akill once in a while!?
Pritalex (17:41:00 - 02-05)
anonyme at 16:50:02 on 02/05:
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
Anonymous at 09:26:53 on 02/05:
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
anonyme (16:50:02 - 02-05)
Anonymous at 09:26:53 on 02/05:
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Money buyers, been going on a while...
tell 'em deston :)
Anonymous (15:49:38 - 02-05)
The Oracle at 16:43:28 on 30/04:
Blacksea + Goldenarmy + Yigidos vs Supremazia + Messina
Marazzino + Ihtilal + Andok vs Lucchese + Squad
Purgatory + Diehard + Gelibolu + Impero vs Infezione + Liberta + Tremps
Blacksea + Goldenarmy + Yigidos vs Supremazia + Messina
Marazzino + Ihtilal + Andok vs Lucchese + Squad
Purgatory + Diehard + Gelibolu + Impero vs Infezione + Liberta + Tremps
PannaJunk (15:07:05 - 02-05)
ReBorN at 15:04:17 on 02/05:
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
Anonymous at 14:39:19 on 02/05:
lets send a cm for DHP to Italien :')
luchese.squad msg at 14:24:17 on 02/05:
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
lets send a cm for DHP to Italien :')
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
tbh I dont think its weird they ask, it would be weird when you as member cant spare your don a hp or 10....
ReBorN (15:04:17 - 02-05)
Anonymous at 14:39:19 on 02/05:
lets send a cm for DHP to Italien :')
luchese.squad msg at 14:24:17 on 02/05:
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
lets send a cm for DHP to Italien :')
While personally, Im not a fan of asking members to send Honor Points to a specific person in the game, I find nothing wrong with reminding members how important it is to send HPs to the Don and the benefits it can achieve. Furthermore, it is MUCH more responsible then demanding they be sent or mass duping in order to get your Don to #1. ;)
Anonymous (14:39:19 - 02-05)
luchese.squad msg at 14:24:17 on 02/05:
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
lets send a cm for DHP to Italien :')
luchese.squad msg (14:24:17 - 02-05)
Hello dear members,
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
We know it's a bit lame, and yes we thought we would never have to ask. But time has come to do so anyways. We want you to send as many hp as you can spend to our lovely don. The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target
So please go Turkish style and send all you can spent to our don or Lucchese's don Italien
We also set promomoney now as a thank to all you people doing a magnificent job, we will also send out bulletmoney again soon, so remember if you don't update, you won't get any bulletmoney.
In short:
- Promomoney set
- Keep updating, no update is no funding
- Hps to your dons
Regards,
Tops
There was a time when the best learning from the best,when lucchese copy kurosawa....but it is not discussed publicly...
pact vs pacts (13:18:51 - 02-05)
Anonymous at 08:44:41 on 02/05:
sbanks pls add the pact stats like Live allience stats, they stick together themselves much more than a usual alliences.. so we want to see that how much power they have
sbanks pls add the pact stats like Live allience stats, they stick together themselves much more than a usual alliences.. so we want to see that how much power they have
you can check out right on this site how many fams were needed to kill every single fam from pact in the past, so you can ''stick together much more''
loosers gonna lose
FlowzZ (10:01:58 - 02-05)
Anonymous at 09:26:53 on 02/05:
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
Armada has pos 2 4 5 6 7
isn't that ridiculous?
no
they wrote: 'The reason why is that we can get cheap dects when we have a certain amount more than the target'. I don't see why they only want the don to be able to hire cheap dets according to your logic. Doesn't make much sense either way.
Isn't that quote pretty much what I explained? If the don has 15k more HPs, than the target he wants to hire on, he'll get them pretty much for free.
Maybe they wanna track movement of certain people throughout the day, maybe they wanna stalk BF owners. There are more possible reasons to it then just the "hire detecs in war time".
And yeah, it wouldn't be my strategy either, but to each his own.
My reply was more aimed at the 'we can hire dets cheaper' than the 'our don can hire dets cheaper'. Since you stated that they were doing it for individuals rather than for the cdtc that (used to) benefit the whole guild. I don't know if cdtc still gives you cheaper dets.