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07-08 Payback
03:32:16 - 13-08
07-08 Payback
03:18:45 - 13-08
Seltik at 03:08:10 on 13/08:
Interesting concept, i agree. But i'd rather see bloodship limited instead of simply erased because "bloods" are part of the game (and its history).
I really don't see any problem in two families working toghether.
But i liked the overall idea i've read on that concept, despite i also agree it can be improved.
I just wonder why admins refuse to pay attention to new ideas and constructive criticism.
Interesting concept, i agree. But i'd rather see bloodship limited instead of simply erased because "bloods" are part of the game (and its history).
I really don't see any problem in two families working toghether.
But i liked the overall idea i've read on that concept, despite i also agree it can be improved.
I just wonder why admins refuse to pay attention to new ideas and constructive criticism.
I have to assume it's the fact that Omerta is not making enough money to pay for a full time staff and they have resolved to keep things as is until it is no longer profitable enough to run.
07-08 Payback
03:13:54 - 13-08
Aart at 23:55:05 on 12/08:
You are missing the point. You know nothing Nuke.
Seasons are changing, winter is comming (okay enough with GOT) and like every year... omerta will probably get a little more populated again than it was the last 2 versions (hopefully).
For many years now this game has gotten less and less attractive to play (for large and active fams - as well as small and less active ones) due to massive wars, blooding, winner vouchers, etc etc.
Omerta is a maffia game which has the sole basis to shoot/kill one another. Setting different purposes for an objective, like you are suggesting, is not gonne extend the life expectancy of this game. For example see .dm. Kcode can implement new territories, governments or 400 new objects... i'd still wanne kill you and the rest of the server, cause i'd like to play to win.
In a text based game with text based accounts with fairly little 'items' to distinguish your account from others it's really hard to 'create' a kick ass fine tuned Kill Algorithm. Personally I was pretty happy with the one there is now though it has 1 glitch: when your biggest enemy or the strongest family on the server starts a war, your family has got to go to war too since you'll be in huge disadvantage if you don't (account strentgh). If you won't, you'll eventually bite the dust shooting vs their accounts. So this creates a train reaction.
Ways to counter this are.... oh yea... gangbanging a family which needs to be taken down in order to extend the version's 'life expectancy'. Not fun for the gangbanged family - and let's face it - gangbanging active fams out of a version is not very fun for a version either (hint hint current fams)
Enfin, This will not change out of free will from the current playerbase... why would it if playing dodgy/slowly/avoiding wars/you name it - will only get you killed before you can win? I've said it before and will say it again, the only way to counter this is to implement 1vs1 wars. Myself and about 10 other players/tops from various families took the effort to write somewhat of a concept for this a more then a year ago (on developers request in the holy #4.0 IRC channel).... never heard jackshit about it afterwards.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/
15scj7YuoPYrSM9jEjzQwTPTE6ht43VyxYHO9VjybPqU/edit?pli=1
(that's 1 link but i can't c/p it as a whole).
Anyway, that was my two cents' worth. I stopped trying a long time ago. Remember it was just an unfinished concept so don't jump on your high horse if something isn't brightly worked out.
You are missing the point. You know nothing Nuke.
Seasons are changing, winter is comming (okay enough with GOT) and like every year... omerta will probably get a little more populated again than it was the last 2 versions (hopefully).
For many years now this game has gotten less and less attractive to play (for large and active fams - as well as small and less active ones) due to massive wars, blooding, winner vouchers, etc etc.
Omerta is a maffia game which has the sole basis to shoot/kill one another. Setting different purposes for an objective, like you are suggesting, is not gonne extend the life expectancy of this game. For example see .dm. Kcode can implement new territories, governments or 400 new objects... i'd still wanne kill you and the rest of the server, cause i'd like to play to win.
In a text based game with text based accounts with fairly little 'items' to distinguish your account from others it's really hard to 'create' a kick ass fine tuned Kill Algorithm. Personally I was pretty happy with the one there is now though it has 1 glitch: when your biggest enemy or the strongest family on the server starts a war, your family has got to go to war too since you'll be in huge disadvantage if you don't (account strentgh). If you won't, you'll eventually bite the dust shooting vs their accounts. So this creates a train reaction.
Ways to counter this are.... oh yea... gangbanging a family which needs to be taken down in order to extend the version's 'life expectancy'. Not fun for the gangbanged family - and let's face it - gangbanging active fams out of a version is not very fun for a version either (hint hint current fams)
Enfin, This will not change out of free will from the current playerbase... why would it if playing dodgy/slowly/avoiding wars/you name it - will only get you killed before you can win? I've said it before and will say it again, the only way to counter this is to implement 1vs1 wars. Myself and about 10 other players/tops from various families took the effort to write somewhat of a concept for this a more then a year ago (on developers request in the holy #4.0 IRC channel).... never heard jackshit about it afterwards.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/
15scj7YuoPYrSM9jEjzQwTPTE6ht43VyxYHO9VjybPqU/edit?pli=1
(that's 1 link but i can't c/p it as a whole).
Anyway, that was my two cents' worth. I stopped trying a long time ago. Remember it was just an unfinished concept so don't jump on your high horse if something isn't brightly worked out.
That sounds more like rifle and bayonet war game of lining up to shoot until either everyone is dead or one side retreats. Not very much like a mafia game at all. Put a token in and you're ready to fight!
The problem with this game and why it's ever-declining has two reasons to blame.
Imagine yourself as a newcomer, bored out of your mind.
Cons:
1. It's not free to compete.
2. It doesn't offer what the title and synopsis suggest. Why would anyone continue to click and type codes here for more than an hour after stumbling upon this game?
Example:
"OK, I loved the Godfather movies. This story line sounds pretty spot on.."
A) You begin exploring and suddenly come across a click limit after 11 clicks. You follow the directions to avoid this and find out that it costs $4 to get beyond that... - WTF? You still aren't sure that this game is even played by actual people and it's asking for your money?
B) If you're truly bored, you might continue to press on.. Within an hour to a day, you discover that there's little to nothing to do while ranking up. You're simply watching a timer and typing image codes. - What is to be gained by this? Is this a joke?! (No, it's just a scam)
C) You are convinced that some of these accounts are actual people, and out of curiosity, you jump through the hoops to give it a try. However, you probably didn't get the memo that there was going to be a reset several days ago and you're ranked in the bottom 90th percentile of accounts. - I don't want to pay $4 to avoid a click limit and another $4 for lackeys.. I can't afford DC's on Obay as an empty suite.. To hell with this.
Pros: ? (Remember, imagine yourself as a new player)
The only reason someone new would start playing this game:
None of the above applies to you.. One of your friends told you about this game and he won't stop bugging you to rank up. He spots you your first two DC's and you get to enjoy the pointless waiting before everyone reaches Brug so that they can try their luck at claiming victory for their pact. You die in the first war, but all your new online buddies are excited because they either survived or put up one hell of a fight.
General Comments & Major Rumors
21:56:57 - 12-08
MurderInc at 21:28:58 on 12/08:
you mean saturday a month from now?
Anonymous at 20:36:21 on 12/08:
last war saturday
paria+koolio+illuanna+Persico+Koninkrijk+ashen+sublime+gallia vs Caliente+Maleficent+kuro+Maleficent
last war saturday
paria+koolio+illuanna+Persico+Koninkrijk+ashen+sublime+gallia vs Caliente+Maleficent+kuro+Maleficent
Ceasefire on new families? They can rank back up while we pick each other off.
07-08 Payback
21:38:50 - 12-08
Solstice at 11:08:06 on 12/08:
Blood limiting sounds good in practice, and we are actually for that. The problem is, if you are the first to limit yourself, especially as a family that fought a lot in the past, you get stomped by pretty much the rest of the server on the first war. The set-up of the game has to change somewhat, before we'll see 1on1 wars and short bloodlists again.
Nuke at 12:08:36 on 11/08:
That's part of the problem, I guess..
You could say a bigger part of the problem is that 1/3 of the server is blooded in that pact, while another 1/3 (Crusaders) is blooded in another pact, while the remaining 1/3 (Amateurs and Idealists) has no affiliation to one another.
That would be fine, but then we go back to the problem that you addressed. Some people don't like the attitude of one group, so they try to crossover into the other group. That creates the lack of balance. Then, every now and then one of the idealists manages to pick up 5-10 extra rank sluts and becomes a main player. That also tilts the scale.
The best way to handle this is for the Pact and the Crusaders to either pick up everyone else that they can and have one war each server, else limit your bloods to a minimum and wait to see what other groups begin to form.
Solstice at 10:17:23 on 11/08:
We're not whining about the opening war btw, that was awesome. Family's saw an opening and went for it. Was very enjoyable for all of our tops, eventhough we fell short at the end. It's just the selfrighteous bullshit from families that were standing in line to blood us, that's getting old.
We're not whining about the opening war btw, that was awesome. Family's saw an opening and went for it. Was very enjoyable for all of our tops, eventhough we fell short at the end. It's just the selfrighteous bullshit from families that were standing in line to blood us, that's getting old.
That's part of the problem, I guess..
You could say a bigger part of the problem is that 1/3 of the server is blooded in that pact, while another 1/3 (Crusaders) is blooded in another pact, while the remaining 1/3 (Amateurs and Idealists) has no affiliation to one another.
That would be fine, but then we go back to the problem that you addressed. Some people don't like the attitude of one group, so they try to crossover into the other group. That creates the lack of balance. Then, every now and then one of the idealists manages to pick up 5-10 extra rank sluts and becomes a main player. That also tilts the scale.
The best way to handle this is for the Pact and the Crusaders to either pick up everyone else that they can and have one war each server, else limit your bloods to a minimum and wait to see what other groups begin to form.
Blood limiting sounds good in practice, and we are actually for that. The problem is, if you are the first to limit yourself, especially as a family that fought a lot in the past, you get stomped by pretty much the rest of the server on the first war. The set-up of the game has to change somewhat, before we'll see 1on1 wars and short bloodlists again.
Yeah.. City spots and objects will have to mean something again before that happens. The only spots that really seem to matter are Detroit Bank and two Bullet factories, and they're just not worth shooting for. Once you free them, the server is typically decided in the process.
I agree with you 100%, but I think the next best alternative is to diversify your bloods from server to server. I guess the problem with that is having to shoot friends, which honest people don't really care for. We've become a small community of veteran players.. Everyone knows everyone here.
My solution to all the monotony of this game is for Omerta to set a different purpose or objective for this game.. Make it so that families are working to be the most powerful without actually having to eliminate one another. Perhaps actually running a family corporation (requiring teamwork), where money, territory, and bought government influence are the objective and wars are both economically and politically costly, would change things up a bit.
.. Then again, that sounds too creative and too costly for Omerta's current staff to venture into. It would require a talented story writer and a resilient group of coders to make it happen.
07-08 Payback
22:13:37 - 11-08
Anonymous at 18:29:31 on 11/08:
can we have a new topic already, every version its the same shit - complaining/crying about pacts. some of you come in here ranting about your hate for the top fams working together, as if their opinions will be swayed from some nobody on a news site for a broken game. its never changed and it never will change. so please, stop wasting your time and embarrassing yourselves.
can we have a new topic already, every version its the same shit - complaining/crying about pacts. some of you come in here ranting about your hate for the top fams working together, as if their opinions will be swayed from some nobody on a news site for a broken game. its never changed and it never will change. so please, stop wasting your time and embarrassing yourselves.
Why should anyone care what an anonymous person thinks? If you can't put your name on it, then your opinion means nothing.
07-08 Payback
22:11:08 - 11-08
Anonymous at 12:48:22 on 11/08:
Koolio + Paria + Illuanna + Gallia + Sublime + Zerilli +
Maleficent + Persico + Samagono + Audeamus → Gambino Literary Jannisary
Paria → Equestria
Kurosawa, Caliente, Brada → Zerilli
Koninkrijk + Samagono → Brada
This is the true story
Koolio + Paria + Illuanna + Gallia + Sublime + Zerilli +
Maleficent + Persico + Samagono + Audeamus → Gambino Literary Jannisary
Paria → Equestria
Kurosawa, Caliente, Brada → Zerilli
Koninkrijk + Samagono → Brada
This is the true story
Many of those families were involved, but your matchmaking is incorrect. I did not shoot on the families you matched with mine and I did shoot on another family that you did not match with mine. Please resume your research, check your sources, and try to get the "truth" correct next time.
07-08 Payback
12:08:36 - 11-08
Solstice at 10:17:23 on 11/08:
We're not whining about the opening war btw, that was awesome. Family's saw an opening and went for it. Was very enjoyable for all of our tops, eventhough we fell short at the end. It's just the selfrighteous bullshit from families that were standing in line to blood us, that's getting old.
We're not whining about the opening war btw, that was awesome. Family's saw an opening and went for it. Was very enjoyable for all of our tops, eventhough we fell short at the end. It's just the selfrighteous bullshit from families that were standing in line to blood us, that's getting old.
That's part of the problem, I guess..
You could say a bigger part of the problem is that 1/3 of the server is blooded in that pact, while another 1/3 (Crusaders) is blooded in another pact, while the remaining 1/3 (Amateurs and Idealists) has no affiliation to one another.
That would be fine, but then we go back to the problem that you addressed. Some people don't like the attitude of one group, so they try to crossover into the other group. That creates the lack of balance. Then, every now and then one of the idealists manages to pick up 5-10 extra rank sluts and becomes a main player. That also tilts the scale.
The best way to handle this is for the Pact and the Crusaders to either pick up everyone else that they can and have one war each server, else limit your bloods to a minimum and wait to see what other groups begin to form.
07-08 Payback
00:34:49 - 11-08
Saros`away at 23:25:20 on 10/08:
Ofcourse we had a few additional bloods, you know what happens if we don't?
You get the entire server on 3 families because they have little to back them up. This game is about strategy, tactics and politics, we wouldn't be much of a 'professional' family if we didn't cover our backs. This was the same shit as when Lucchese & Righelli were playing and tried to downsize the amount of bloods a few versions ago.
However, I agree that the first war this version was one of the best I've seen in a long time, neither having to rape of getting raped. It just amuses me that people tend to go full-retard mode in here because they won a battle for once, without properely realizing how they got there or even what they were fighting against.
For other families having less actives, that isn't something you can blame on us. You can look at how Omerta itself is nowadays for that.
Ofcourse we had a few additional bloods, you know what happens if we don't?
You get the entire server on 3 families because they have little to back them up. This game is about strategy, tactics and politics, we wouldn't be much of a 'professional' family if we didn't cover our backs. This was the same shit as when Lucchese & Righelli were playing and tried to downsize the amount of bloods a few versions ago.
However, I agree that the first war this version was one of the best I've seen in a long time, neither having to rape of getting raped. It just amuses me that people tend to go full-retard mode in here because they won a battle for once, without properely realizing how they got there or even what they were fighting against.
For other families having less actives, that isn't something you can blame on us. You can look at how Omerta itself is nowadays for that.
Sadly, I think you just hit the bottom line. The group with the most shooters wins. This isn't much of a skill game because the number of accounts that one can kill, considered with the time it takes to reach the point being able to survive maximum backfire, is so limited.
I guess it's easy to overlook the key to this game.. To get others to commit to your cause. Still, it's not much fun if there aren't multiple competitive groups.
07-08 Payback
22:20:31 - 10-08
Saros`away at 20:24:05 on 10/08:
And what most of you don't seem to get, either because you're new or have the longterm memory of a retarded goldfish, is that size has nothing to do with it. Aeterna has worked with Lusa for pretty much the entirety of 4.x. Aeterna/Lusa has worked with Siberia when they were still on .nl for about the same amount of time. Sometimes different family names but always the same tops.
We couldn't care less about eachothers dick size, neither Aeterna, Lusa or Siberia were always the biggest and the reason their playerbase grew to what they have now is because of sheer success. So what do you expect us to say? "I know we always worked good together, but we can't work with you anymore because you used to be #20 and now you're #1 lolbye"?
That smaller fams would have to work together to take us down was obvious from the start and nobody is complaining about it, you can't win them all. But some of you guys in here need get off your little high horses and need to realize, that for all your anti-pact nonsense, you're basically trying to do the exact same thing.
Anonymous at 19:43:31 on 10/08:
Well, its not so hard to explain haha
When there are big-Highrank-Fams working together like Lusa and Siberia or other major fams. Then the more little fams need to work together to shoot them down.
Thats all not so difficult is it guys :D
So no problem with pacts or bloods or so,, but if the top 3 or 4 fams are creating a pact then its logical that they have to fight with a lot more fams.
If youre a Top of a Top Fam than havings bloods is OK but i would say Work together with smaller fams and not with only the greatest
Awesome Wars BTW
Well, its not so hard to explain haha
When there are big-Highrank-Fams working together like Lusa and Siberia or other major fams. Then the more little fams need to work together to shoot them down.
Thats all not so difficult is it guys :D
So no problem with pacts or bloods or so,, but if the top 3 or 4 fams are creating a pact then its logical that they have to fight with a lot more fams.
If youre a Top of a Top Fam than havings bloods is OK but i would say Work together with smaller fams and not with only the greatest
Awesome Wars BTW
And what most of you don't seem to get, either because you're new or have the longterm memory of a retarded goldfish, is that size has nothing to do with it. Aeterna has worked with Lusa for pretty much the entirety of 4.x. Aeterna/Lusa has worked with Siberia when they were still on .nl for about the same amount of time. Sometimes different family names but always the same tops.
We couldn't care less about eachothers dick size, neither Aeterna, Lusa or Siberia were always the biggest and the reason their playerbase grew to what they have now is because of sheer success. So what do you expect us to say? "I know we always worked good together, but we can't work with you anymore because you used to be #20 and now you're #1 lolbye"?
That smaller fams would have to work together to take us down was obvious from the start and nobody is complaining about it, you can't win them all. But some of you guys in here need get off your little high horses and need to realize, that for all your anti-pact nonsense, you're basically trying to do the exact same thing.
On my part, the frustration wasn't so much those three families working together.. It was more the fact that the pact also worked with families like Templari, Caliente, Gambino.. they always had another two top 10 families shooting for their cause. It was nearly impossible to overcome that many high ranks who were always so active.
At some point, you have to do the way that Pact did this server and limit yourself to only 3 or 4 families on your side to make it a challenge. This is the best server since I've been back simply because there were not 200 brugs working together against 75-100 brugs, whith only 25-40 of those brugs being active in wars.
Despite the actual number of brugs and chiefs in a family, a small family like mine is doing pretty well if we can get 7-10 of our brugs to hire detectives in a war. Usually it's more like 3-5, unless it just happens at a great time of the year when almost everyone is online and does not have to work the next day.
There was no reason that an attacking family like Zerilli and their bloods should have only been able to kill 11 of 30 brugs before they had to go offline and hide. Still, that's usually the case. The less "professional" families are much more limited and can only hope to use 50% of their brugs as decoys.
07-08 Payback
18:06:35 - 09-08
MurderInc at 13:20:00 on 09/08:
Logger is up again and will show all new kills from now on. Kills between 07-08-2014 13:40:00 and 08-08-2014 11:46:23 are lost unfortunately.
Logger is up again and will show all new kills from now on. Kills between 07-08-2014 13:40:00 and 08-08-2014 11:46:23 are lost unfortunately.
\o/
07-08 Payback
21:36:13 - 08-08
MurderInc at 14:00:24 on 08/08:
not our fault it takes you that long to shoot down a fam that literally just went up.
Anonymous at 13:19:30 on 08/08:
i'm bored siberia cowards. if u dont want this play, get out here. ^^
i'm bored siberia cowards. if u dont want this play, get out here. ^^
Why did that family just go up?
06-08 Night terror
11:07:39 - 07-08
Anonymous at 04:35:29 on 07/08:
Aww baby boy :')
Nuke at 01:43:57 on 07/08:
Didn't Comite and Samyo shoot along side Jannisary and Gambino against Paria, Koolio, and Zerilli?
This is a bizarre turn of events.
Didn't Comite and Samyo shoot along side Jannisary and Gambino against Paria, Koolio, and Zerilli?
This is a bizarre turn of events.
Nuke at 01:53:49 on 07/08:
You have witnessed Demon kill Magnifiken.
Anonymous at 00:03:47 on 07/08:
I dont think Gambino is shooting.
I dont think Gambino is shooting.
You have witnessed Demon kill Magnifiken.
Aww baby boy :')
You're drunk. Go to bed!
06-08 Night terror
01:53:49 - 07-08
Anonymous at 00:03:47 on 07/08:
I dont think Gambino is shooting.
I dont think Gambino is shooting.
You have witnessed Demon kill Magnifiken.
06-08 Night terror
01:43:57 - 07-08
Didn't Comite and Samyo shoot along side Jannisary and Gambino against Paria, Koolio, and Zerilli?
This is a bizarre turn of events.
This is a bizarre turn of events.
General Comments & Major Rumors
03:07:40 - 06-08
MurderInc at 01:10:44 on 06/08:
I thought Kim-jong was a pretty nice touch, I mean they're both pretty ridiculous.
I thought Kim-jong was a pretty nice touch, I mean they're both pretty ridiculous.
Nuke at 21:59:56 on 04/08:
I'm not saying it's the case.. But I believe the popular theory behind the accusations is that Pact tops control this website and they do not wish for anyone to easily track their whereabouts while they are at a supreme disadvantage.
MurderInc at 19:20:01 on 04/08:
Once again, let me ask: What would be the point of deliberately making it worse? You, sir, are a nutjob.
Anonymous at 19:15:33 on 04/08:
Im 100 % that OB site will work very good if siberia,lusa,aeterna didnt died.
Im 100 % that OB site will work very good if siberia,lusa,aeterna didnt died.
What exactly is it about trying to explain some third party's accusation through rational theory is ridiculous to you?
If anything deserves ridicule, I have to highlight your wild defense tactics of claiming that everyone is against you. That's ridiculous enough to deserve taunting, but to make things worse, you point your finger at the wrong people.. I never said you guys were trying to give anyone an advantage. I was merely playing devil's advocate through another person's comments that you so unskillfully denied.
You're like a frightened chihuahua, yapping at everyone who passes.
General Comments & Major Rumors
00:52:18 - 06-08
MurderInc at 00:43:46 on 06/08:
We have pointed out that this site is run by members and tops both inside and outside of the so-called pact. We have explained why we're having logger problems (server issues) and why we can't immediately fix them (owner being on vacation). We have pointed out how you and other members of this community can help with this site if you're honestly interested in seeing improvements, and aren't just here to bitch at someone. You have chosen to ignore all of those arguments, and you haven't taken any interest in helping with this site. Instead you keep coming up with new unsubstantiated claims about how this site is taking sides, and apparently being used as a tool to deceive large parts of this community.
I hope this shit makes you happy, I'll stick to trying to improve things I care about, instead of just publicly moaning about them.
By the way, for those who're looking for more up-to-date stats while our logger is down, check out d-bot. Doesn't have every feature we have, but at least you get fam stats.
Nuke at 00:11:41 on 06/08:
(1.) If you do not believe in conspiracies, you do not belong in this game.
(2.) You're way too focused on Siberia. I would hardly call a single family a "Pact".
(3.) You allowed yourself to be made a fool by a guy who can barely speak English. Stop deflecting your frustration at me. I simply pointed out what everyone else was thinking about your sad attempt at misdirecting his points.
(4.) Refer to point #2. Your attempts of misdirection are still obvious.
(5.) What is the point of this website if not to track player and family growth? What are you doing here if not to make this game more convenient for the average user?
MurderInc at 23:49:18 on 05/08:
No, you don't seem to be getting my point. Every player with any kind of connections in this game knows Siberia is re-ranking in Gambino. Please go ask every active top of every top 10 fam where Siberia is re-ranking, I guarantee 90% would instantly say Gambino. That's no fucking secret at all, it's so obvious that it would be insane to try to cover it up by deliberately taking down the OB logger (not that it would work anyway).
Anyway, I'm done talking to you since you've shown that you're a conspiracy theory nutjob and not at all interested in constructive criticism, you're just here to bitch at people who put plenty of their time into running this site.
Nuke at 23:37:10 on 05/08:
If you could read, you would understand that I was answering your ridiculous question. The original statement was written in poor English, albeit, but pretty much everyone understood what he was getting at.. Everyone except you.
Yes, it is easy enough to follow a dupe that the admins have killed and labeled for us, but don't let me steal your thunder. Bravo! I don't think it's a stretch to say that no one else believes that Omerta catches and punishes every dupe account. Also, thank you for pointing out where Siberia's remaining alive members went. That also may have seemed like a daunting task for you. Now, if you think "really hard", then you might recollect that there were at least 58 other Siberia members who died during the war and would have needed to create new accounts. Get it? I hope so, because I'm going about as slow as I know how for your sake alone.
Whether you are stupid or you were merely acting stupid, you're beginning to convince me that you may not be able to help yourself.
MurderInc at 14:09:07 on 05/08:
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
If you could read, you would understand that I was answering your ridiculous question. The original statement was written in poor English, albeit, but pretty much everyone understood what he was getting at.. Everyone except you.
Yes, it is easy enough to follow a dupe that the admins have killed and labeled for us, but don't let me steal your thunder. Bravo! I don't think it's a stretch to say that no one else believes that Omerta catches and punishes every dupe account. Also, thank you for pointing out where Siberia's remaining alive members went. That also may have seemed like a daunting task for you. Now, if you think "really hard", then you might recollect that there were at least 58 other Siberia members who died during the war and would have needed to create new accounts. Get it? I hope so, because I'm going about as slow as I know how for your sake alone.
Whether you are stupid or you were merely acting stupid, you're beginning to convince me that you may not be able to help yourself.
Anyway, I'm done talking to you since you've shown that you're a conspiracy theory nutjob and not at all interested in constructive criticism, you're just here to bitch at people who put plenty of their time into running this site.
(1.) If you do not believe in conspiracies, you do not belong in this game.
(2.) You're way too focused on Siberia. I would hardly call a single family a "Pact".
(3.) You allowed yourself to be made a fool by a guy who can barely speak English. Stop deflecting your frustration at me. I simply pointed out what everyone else was thinking about your sad attempt at misdirecting his points.
(4.) Refer to point #2. Your attempts of misdirection are still obvious.
(5.) What is the point of this website if not to track player and family growth? What are you doing here if not to make this game more convenient for the average user?
I hope this shit makes you happy, I'll stick to trying to improve things I care about, instead of just publicly moaning about them.
By the way, for those who're looking for more up-to-date stats while our logger is down, check out d-bot. Doesn't have every feature we have, but at least you get fam stats.
You guys are awesome, by the way. As I've stated before, I'm doing this out of amusement. I don't dislike anyone who donates their time to this effort.
Thank you for the alternative. :)
General Comments & Major Rumors
00:11:41 - 06-08
MurderInc at 23:49:18 on 05/08:
No, you don't seem to be getting my point. Every player with any kind of connections in this game knows Siberia is re-ranking in Gambino. Please go ask every active top of every top 10 fam where Siberia is re-ranking, I guarantee 90% would instantly say Gambino. That's no fucking secret at all, it's so obvious that it would be insane to try to cover it up by deliberately taking down the OB logger (not that it would work anyway).
Anyway, I'm done talking to you since you've shown that you're a conspiracy theory nutjob and not at all interested in constructive criticism, you're just here to bitch at people who put plenty of their time into running this site.
Nuke at 23:37:10 on 05/08:
If you could read, you would understand that I was answering your ridiculous question. The original statement was written in poor English, albeit, but pretty much everyone understood what he was getting at.. Everyone except you.
Yes, it is easy enough to follow a dupe that the admins have killed and labeled for us, but don't let me steal your thunder. Bravo! I don't think it's a stretch to say that no one else believes that Omerta catches and punishes every dupe account. Also, thank you for pointing out where Siberia's remaining alive members went. That also may have seemed like a daunting task for you. Now, if you think "really hard", then you might recollect that there were at least 58 other Siberia members who died during the war and would have needed to create new accounts. Get it? I hope so, because I'm going about as slow as I know how for your sake alone.
Whether you are stupid or you were merely acting stupid, you're beginning to convince me that you may not be able to help yourself.
MurderInc at 14:09:07 on 05/08:
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
If you could read, you would understand that I was answering your ridiculous question. The original statement was written in poor English, albeit, but pretty much everyone understood what he was getting at.. Everyone except you.
Yes, it is easy enough to follow a dupe that the admins have killed and labeled for us, but don't let me steal your thunder. Bravo! I don't think it's a stretch to say that no one else believes that Omerta catches and punishes every dupe account. Also, thank you for pointing out where Siberia's remaining alive members went. That also may have seemed like a daunting task for you. Now, if you think "really hard", then you might recollect that there were at least 58 other Siberia members who died during the war and would have needed to create new accounts. Get it? I hope so, because I'm going about as slow as I know how for your sake alone.
Whether you are stupid or you were merely acting stupid, you're beginning to convince me that you may not be able to help yourself.
Anyway, I'm done talking to you since you've shown that you're a conspiracy theory nutjob and not at all interested in constructive criticism, you're just here to bitch at people who put plenty of their time into running this site.
(1.) If you do not believe in conspiracies, you do not belong in this game.
(2.) You're way too focused on Siberia. I would hardly call a single family a "Pact".
(3.) You allowed yourself to be made a fool by a guy who can barely speak English. Stop deflecting your frustration at me. I simply pointed out what everyone else was thinking about your sad attempt at misdirecting his points.
(4.) Refer to point #2. Your attempts of misdirection are still obvious.
(5.) What is the point of this website if not to track player and family growth? What are you doing here if not to make this game more convenient for the average user?
General Comments & Major Rumors
23:37:10 - 05-08
MurderInc at 14:09:07 on 05/08:
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
Well ... if you had any clue about what you were talking about, you would've been able to check each of those dupes' history (takes about 2 minutes), and would've seen that they all were in the fams they got akilled in right from the start. You would have seen that most of them were created a few days after the reset, some a bit later, but still before the big war started. None of them just "suddenly" started ranking right after "the pact" went down. Quite some forward-thinking we did there!
Then again, if you knew shit about this game, you would've known anyway that Siberia still had about 15 brugs when we went down and moved all of them to Gambino. Pretty much everyone knows that. Or didn't you notice when Gambino went from > 5 in fam worth, to #1?
Honestly, this topic is about as retarded as it gets. OB is run by people from fams on both sides, as pointed out before. Don't you think someone who isn't with the so-called pact would start complaining if there's anything like you describe going on?
If you could read, you would understand that I was answering your ridiculous question. The original statement was written in poor English, albeit, but pretty much everyone understood what he was getting at.. Everyone except you.
Yes, it is easy enough to follow a dupe that the admins have killed and labeled for us, but don't let me steal your thunder. Bravo! I don't think it's a stretch to say that no one else believes that Omerta catches and punishes every dupe account. Also, thank you for pointing out where Siberia's remaining alive members went. That also may have seemed like a daunting task for you. Now, if you think "really hard", then you might recollect that there were at least 58 other Siberia members who died during the war and would have needed to create new accounts. Get it? I hope so, because I'm going about as slow as I know how for your sake alone.
Whether you are stupid or you were merely acting stupid, you're beginning to convince me that you may not be able to help yourself.
General Comments & Major Rumors
21:59:56 - 04-08
MurderInc at 19:20:01 on 04/08:
Once again, let me ask: What would be the point of deliberately making it worse? You, sir, are a nutjob.
Anonymous at 19:15:33 on 04/08:
Im 100 % that OB site will work very good if siberia,lusa,aeterna didnt died.
Im 100 % that OB site will work very good if siberia,lusa,aeterna didnt died.
Well.. If I had [proxy] accounts re-ranking to get my family back up, I would want to keep it as secretive as possible. Until my members (or proxy accounts) reached brug, it would be to my advantage to make it more difficult to track my family's members (Without some type of logger, this laggy server becomes painstaking to sort through each family's promotions). The trick to finding a downed family's members is to identify which remaining families are suddenly expanding (i.e. Gambino)
By knowing where the Pact members are, I could deduct how much of a threat they might pose, thus I would know when to take action so that they did not have a chance to regain control over the server.
I'm not saying it's the case.. But I believe the popular theory behind the accusations is that Pact tops control this website and they do not wish for anyone to easily track their whereabouts while they are at a supreme disadvantage.
We're not whining about the opening war btw, that was awesome. Family's saw an opening and went for it. Was very enjoyable for all of our tops, eventhough we fell short at the end. It's just the selfrighteous bullshit from families that were standing in line to blood us, that's getting old.
That's part of the problem, I guess..
You could say a bigger part of the problem is that 1/3 of the server is blooded in that pact, while another 1/3 (Crusaders) is blooded in another pact, while the remaining 1/3 (Amateurs and Idealists) has no affiliation to one another.
That would be fine, but then we go back to the problem that you addressed. Some people don't like the attitude of one group, so they try to crossover into the other group. That creates the lack of balance. Then, every now and then one of the idealists manages to pick up 5-10 extra rank sluts and becomes a main player. That also tilts the scale.
The best way to handle this is for the Pact and the Crusaders to either pick up everyone else that they can and have one war each server, else limit your bloods to a minimum and wait to see what other groups begin to form.
Blood limiting sounds good in practice, and we are actually for that. The problem is, if you are the first to limit yourself, especially as a family that fought a lot in the past, you get stomped by pretty much the rest of the server on the first war. The set-up of the game has to change somewhat, before we'll see 1on1 wars and short bloodlists again.
Yeah.. City spots and objects will have to mean something again before that happens. The only spots that really seem to matter are Detroit Bank and two Bullet factories, and they're just not worth shooting for. Once you free them, the server is typically decided in the process.
I agree with you 100%, but I think the next best alternative is to diversify your bloods from server to server. I guess the problem with that is having to shoot friends, which honest people don't really care for. We've become a small community of veteran players.. Everyone knows everyone here.
My solution to all the monotony of this game is for Omerta to set a different purpose or objective for this game.. Make it so that families are working to be the most powerful without actually having to eliminate one another. Perhaps actually running a family corporation (requiring teamwork), where money, territory, and bought government influence are the objective and wars are both economically and politically costly, would change things up a bit.
.. Then again, that sounds too creative and too costly for Omerta's current staff to venture into. It would require a talented story writer and a resilient group of coders to make it happen.
You are missing the point. You know nothing Nuke.
Seasons are changing, winter is comming (okay enough with GOT) and like every year... omerta will probably get a little more populated again than it was the last 2 versions (hopefully).
For many years now this game has gotten less and less attractive to play (for large and active fams - as well as small and less active ones) due to massive wars, blooding, winner vouchers, etc etc.
Omerta is a maffia game which has the sole basis to shoot/kill one another. Setting different purposes for an objective, like you are suggesting, is not gonne extend the life expectancy of this game. For example see .dm. Kcode can implement new territories, governments or 400 new objects... i'd still wanne kill you and the rest of the server, cause i'd like to play to win.
In a text based game with text based accounts with fairly little 'items' to distinguish your account from others it's really hard to 'create' a kick ass fine tuned Kill Algorithm. Personally I was pretty happy with the one there is now though it has 1 glitch: when your biggest enemy or the strongest family on the server starts a war, your family has got to go to war too since you'll be in huge disadvantage if you don't (account strentgh). If you won't, you'll eventually bite the dust shooting vs their accounts. So this creates a train reaction.
Ways to counter this are.... oh yea... gangbanging a family which needs to be taken down in order to extend the version's 'life expectancy'. Not fun for the gangbanged family - and let's face it - gangbanging active fams out of a version is not very fun for a version either (hint hint current fams)
Enfin, This will not change out of free will from the current playerbase... why would it if playing dodgy/slowly/avoiding wars/you name it - will only get you killed before you can win? I've said it before and will say it again, the only way to counter this is to implement 1vs1 wars. Myself and about 10 other players/tops from various families took the effort to write somewhat of a concept for this a more then a year ago (on developers request in the holy #4.0 IRC channel).... never heard jackshit about it afterwards.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/
15scj7YuoPYrSM9jEjzQwTPTE6ht43VyxYHO9VjybPqU/edit?pli=1
(that's 1 link but i can't c/p it as a whole).
Anyway, that was my two cents' worth. I stopped trying a long time ago. Remember it was just an unfinished concept so don't jump on your high horse if something isn't brightly worked out.
Well, I wrote out an entire essay about what's wrong with this game, but this site would not post it for whatever reason, so here's the short version.
I don't believe I'm the one who is off.. It's not because of wars that people are choosing not to play this game.. Wars were always pointless and one-sided for the exact same reasons since at least 2.1.
The game is dying because it's not attractive enough to gain new players. A newcomer does not give a shit about which families are working together or whether or not the families have fought in the past week or month.
All a new players cares about:
- Is it free to play and compete?
- What is the objective? How do I compete?
When they finish reading the story and make their first 11 clicks, the following page is all most people need to see to be turned off by this game.
If they're still curious beyond that, a few days after typing image codes and getting nowhere, they begin to realize that there is no attainable object to this game and they simply don't come back.
This game did well before facebook made it convenient to play browser games with actual friends.. Now that there are more convenient browser games, this game has been declining ever since. The bitter rivalries between old families has kept it afloat for a very long time, but you can't expect the same old gamers to keep donating their time forever.
At some point, Omerta is going to have to make creative changes to attract newcomers, else it's going to become too big of a money pit for the owner to keep it online.