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20-01 Its raining money!
15:21:35 - 20-01
20-01 Its raining money!
15:08:47 - 20-01
Smul at 15:03:37 on 20/01:
Tbh if stuff about cheating doesn't get reported on OBN (which it should as it's Omerta News, just like real media should report on real cheating, banks/sports/governments/etc) the admins will only cover it up with a nice story in an ingame newspost.
Now that it's out there there might actually be some pressure for the Crew to do something about this massive cheatfest. I at least hope they are reading what is said here. Because some stuff that's said here is rather valuable info for them in the hunt for cheaters/cheats.
FlowzZ at 12:48:55 on 20/01:
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
Tbh if stuff about cheating doesn't get reported on OBN (which it should as it's Omerta News, just like real media should report on real cheating, banks/sports/governments/etc) the admins will only cover it up with a nice story in an ingame newspost.
Now that it's out there there might actually be some pressure for the Crew to do something about this massive cheatfest. I at least hope they are reading what is said here. Because some stuff that's said here is rather valuable info for them in the hunt for cheaters/cheats.
You are all getting me wrong here , im not saying dont report them , im saying dont tell OTHER people HOW to do it while they are not fixed , how hard is that to understand . There are still people who are playing the game .
And i support OB news for their work regarding omerta news , and i also do hope admin crew reads the comments in here.
20-01 Its raining money!
14:31:05 - 20-01
Saros`away at 14:07:46 on 20/01:
Yeah, let's whine about the news site that's been reporting everything truthfully, instead of the people responsible for this bugged game in the first place.
You're not exactly the brightest around here are you? About time somebody put some real pressure on the admins and their mismanagement.
FlowzZ at 13:38:57 on 20/01:
If you claim as professional then report it as news in that way , but now its too late , my point is instead of making that first thread explaining everything how the bug works while it wasnt even fixed , u could explain the situation and how things were(and it still doesnt seem) , you just promoted it to people , every idiot could give it a try , and dont say its not like that cuz i myself didnt know until i saw ur thread , i said on my previous post that just one guy trying to get away with this can still disbalance the game .
sbanks at 12:56:29 on 20/01:
what is pathetic? this is "news" and we are a news site, so i guess we are entitled to report it.
you sure can and may have your opinion but it's still news
FlowzZ at 12:48:55 on 20/01:
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
what is pathetic? this is "news" and we are a news site, so i guess we are entitled to report it.
you sure can and may have your opinion but it's still news
If you claim as professional then report it as news in that way , but now its too late , my point is instead of making that first thread explaining everything how the bug works while it wasnt even fixed , u could explain the situation and how things were(and it still doesnt seem) , you just promoted it to people , every idiot could give it a try , and dont say its not like that cuz i myself didnt know until i saw ur thread , i said on my previous post that just one guy trying to get away with this can still disbalance the game .
Yeah, let's whine about the news site that's been reporting everything truthfully, instead of the people responsible for this bugged game in the first place.
You're not exactly the brightest around here are you? About time somebody put some real pressure on the admins and their mismanagement.
The bugs were found ,people were caught , and investigations on others have started. And this is not whining , whatever you may think i actually care about this game , and as written above( pay attention son) i shared my concern on how bug's promotion thru this site is still affecting the game , as that dude who just got that money and spread it around , you cant 100% return them back.
20-01 Its raining money!
13:38:57 - 20-01
sbanks at 12:56:29 on 20/01:
what is pathetic? this is "news" and we are a news site, so i guess we are entitled to report it.
you sure can and may have your opinion but it's still news
FlowzZ at 12:48:55 on 20/01:
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
what is pathetic? this is "news" and we are a news site, so i guess we are entitled to report it.
you sure can and may have your opinion but it's still news
If you claim as professional then report it as news in that way , but now its too late , my point is instead of making that first thread explaining everything how the bug works while it wasnt even fixed , u could explain the situation and how things were(and it still doesnt seem) , you just promoted it to people , every idiot could give it a try , and dont say its not like that cuz i myself didnt know until i saw ur thread , i said on my previous post that just one guy trying to get away with this can still disbalance the game .
20-01 Its raining money!
12:48:55 - 20-01
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
Pathetic
19-01 Time to clean?
19:42:09 - 19-01
shell at 19:25:23 on 19/01:
not dragging anyone into this. It is crew's job to do that. If they figure out the other bugs and also how some people are able to sell omerta cash to some people, then it will be clear.
I am pointing at hypocrisy here, hypocrites to claim they are whiter than white and blaming it on those 7 people for this bug scandal. If all the families every try to look at in the mirror, they will see exact same faces in their families. Last version, the version before that, it is well known how some things been used. Crew has been ignoring bugs for quite long time, in the end it even bited them hard. Anyway, people has to stop being hypocrites. In righelli, there were 4 people and 2 of them were tops. I, to be honest, had no idea what they were doing. I got no cash from them, and we didn't send that much bullets money to members either till we got objects anyway. We just sent DC cash from fam bank. So only 4 accounts been favored in 145, don't put the whole blame on families, instead of persons. Anyway, they used bugs in their favors, they cheated yes, but they have done nothing worse than most of other families' tops, and I still love them and so glad to play together with them.
Crew shouldn't reset the version. As i have said before, if they do a better search, they will find out some other bugs been abused by some other people are still alive atm. first figure out them, fix them and then open the ROM.
FlowzZ at 18:55:49 on 19/01:
This thread is about these bugs and admins caught you doing them. We fought you while these were still active, i dont know what got said in last 5 pages but don't drag us in here or point fingers please. I didnt come to judge you or your friends here.
shell at 18:48:26 on 19/01:
I don't really believe all you are this naive, this can't be it. As for gravano, it is well known you guys have cheated for versions, same goes for leviticus. I am giving this families' names because they are pretending whiter than white here, being hypocrites.
I don't really believe all you are this naive, this can't be it. As for gravano, it is well known you guys have cheated for versions, same goes for leviticus. I am giving this families' names because they are pretending whiter than white here, being hypocrites.
This thread is about these bugs and admins caught you doing them. We fought you while these were still active, i dont know what got said in last 5 pages but don't drag us in here or point fingers please. I didnt come to judge you or your friends here.
not dragging anyone into this. It is crew's job to do that. If they figure out the other bugs and also how some people are able to sell omerta cash to some people, then it will be clear.
I am pointing at hypocrisy here, hypocrites to claim they are whiter than white and blaming it on those 7 people for this bug scandal. If all the families every try to look at in the mirror, they will see exact same faces in their families. Last version, the version before that, it is well known how some things been used. Crew has been ignoring bugs for quite long time, in the end it even bited them hard. Anyway, people has to stop being hypocrites. In righelli, there were 4 people and 2 of them were tops. I, to be honest, had no idea what they were doing. I got no cash from them, and we didn't send that much bullets money to members either till we got objects anyway. We just sent DC cash from fam bank. So only 4 accounts been favored in 145, don't put the whole blame on families, instead of persons. Anyway, they used bugs in their favors, they cheated yes, but they have done nothing worse than most of other families' tops, and I still love them and so glad to play together with them.
Crew shouldn't reset the version. As i have said before, if they do a better search, they will find out some other bugs been abused by some other people are still alive atm. first figure out them, fix them and then open the ROM.
I didnt ask for an explanation , rlly .
You have your fam and none is asking you not to stay loyal to them, the times of tops going rage mode and inkilling/kicking members cuz of them breaking the rules (and that includes gambling which i personally disapproved in all versions) is gone. Its obvious every fam has cheats with or without top's knowledge , but what i find it more scandal other than some of ur acc's absurd defense is this site going public with it while they were still active , u cant just screw up a version like that , giving everyone the chance to exploit it and you know very well the admin crew cant keep up with that 100% , with just one guy getting away with that kind of cash is enough to screw some others .
19-01 Time to clean?
18:55:49 - 19-01
shell at 18:48:26 on 19/01:
I don't really believe all you are this naive, this can't be it. As for gravano, it is well known you guys have cheated for versions, same goes for leviticus. I am giving this families' names because they are pretending whiter than white here, being hypocrites.
I don't really believe all you are this naive, this can't be it. As for gravano, it is well known you guys have cheated for versions, same goes for leviticus. I am giving this families' names because they are pretending whiter than white here, being hypocrites.
This thread is about these bugs and admins caught you doing them. We fought you while these were still active, i dont know what got said in last 5 pages but don't drag us in here or point fingers please. I didnt come to judge you or your friends here.
19-01 Time to clean?
16:57:48 - 19-01
Changa at 16:56:46 on 19/01:
I was trying just now!!!
FlowzZ at 16:42:15 on 19/01:
Were these threads of coming clean or the bug explanation actually necessary when the bugs themselves arent fixed, now everyone will try and use them.
Were these threads of coming clean or the bug explanation actually necessary when the bugs themselves arent fixed, now everyone will try and use them.
I was trying just now!!!
Are u saying they are fixed? cuz i dont plan on testing it myself
19-01 Time to clean?
16:42:15 - 19-01
Were these threads of coming clean or the bug explanation actually necessary when the bugs themselves arent fixed, now everyone will try and use them.
18-01 Doping in Omerta?!
17:15:30 - 18-01
Anonymous at 17:07:50 on 18/01:
Cry me a river
Prove it or it didnt happen. i didnt see anyone were akilled for blood bug
About gravano i know how you used bugs and cleaned the money by punto bancos last version
manhell at 17:03:07 on 18/01:
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Johnny at 16:44:51 on 18/01:
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
Smul at 16:37:42 on 18/01:
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
Johnny at 16:31:49 on 18/01:
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Smul at 16:21:51 on 18/01:
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
Johnny at 16:05:31 on 18/01:
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
What's very absurd imo is that 2 dons from 2 families got akilled, also only members from 2 families got akilled. Yet article itself and people in comments talk about 3rd family who wasn't akilled.
Kind of weird tbh :P
Armstrong never got caught cheating, yet he was always talked about when the topic came up. ;)
I'm not saying Messina is not cheating, I honestly have no idea are they doing so. Considering all their history there's strong chance they are. Yet there is no clear proof of them doing so atm, but people (not you, you actually talked pro-messina as you said yourself) still talk about them doing this, while there are 2 other fams who clearly did it.
It would be like Messi cought using substances and people talk about Ronaldo must be using something too cause he is also really damn good, ignoring Messi completely...
Also it's huge shame for Omerta that something like this happened, if something like this (or all previous cheating cases) happened in serious mmo game it would mean it's end. No one wants to play game where you get beaten by cheaters and incompetency of admins...
Yeah well, as I just added to the article, I really wonder how far this cheating is capable of going, are all input fields this corrupt? Because then you can cheat basically everywhere in the game.
Besides that, there are 2 "different" cheats. Righelli and Lucchese got caught for the Hitlist cheat, while people are more upset with the health cheat I guess, as that has a direct, fundamental impact on the game.
So Righelli and Lucchese people didn't get cought for health bug cheat?
I thought they were cause 1st time I saw and heard about this bug is in this article, so I thought they got cought for that + hitlist thing. And yes ofc health bug seems just game breaking, but I didn't hear for it before. I don't think that bug existed from 2.9 - 3.2 when there were really strong accounts (including yours) it had to come later. Also I wonder how did OB news got info about this bug, and is it known (with proof) who has been using it?
We had many shots like that vs righelli last night, where they just wouldnt die
Even with 3-4times 60k in like 40min max. Logs are around, one of those was Vaas ing last night he got shot i think 3 orso times in less then 45min-1h all of them 60k and he just didnt die.
Anyways seems like obviously how those fams were using it
Cry me a river
Prove it or it didnt happen. i didnt see anyone were akilled for blood bug
About gravano i know how you used bugs and cleaned the money by punto bancos last version
No we did not use such bugs you are saying. Bye now.
18-01 Doping in Omerta?!
15:36:27 - 18-01
Admins fixed these yet ?
17-01 To shoot or not to shoot
14:46:07 - 18-01
Rip to all , respect _o_
13-01 Vampires during the night
11:52:19 - 14-01
Just a bunch of trolls if you ask me and i feel bad for giving you the attention with this post, if you wanted to make a 'difference' and take it on a big fam , u could have shot when we were most vulnerable and perhaps even change the tides of war (dont take me too serious but still u never know) shooting down some accs which did most of the kills on those wars , perhaps u could get thru with dupe shooting since in war time it mostly never crosses people's minds that they got shot by a dupe since everyone is online . And please don't think too big of yourself with such statements claiming admin help or making us seem so afraid of you and your few dupes.
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
15:24:52 - 13-01
Anonymous at 14:07:43 on 13/01:
Laterz Flowzz
Laterz Flowzz
Cya on irc when u stop by sometimes fella o/
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
13:41:11 - 13-01
Saros`away at 05:15:27 on 13/01:
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
Comments like this just irk me the wrong way. People in here seem to forget that this is supposed to be a goddamn mafia game. So what if you backstab, leak and have personal vendettas? Isn't that what this whole thing is about?
Fuck other fams/pacts/alliances besides your own, I miss the times where this game wasn't about 'winning' a version with one side or the other.
You people seem to be so eager to show how selfrighteous you are that you wont even spend 5 more secs reading a sentence just to jump on your own conclusion.
It is a Mafia game , but even in mafia world those tricks only work once . Despite your red seeing , we do not play just to win , actually for versions we only played just to shoot and we provide that fun to our members. I like that reply to your comment below from Manager , thing is i dont know why i bother commenting here or trying to state something which you and your group of bashers seem to ignore , im actually doing them a favor by stating what they do wrong through my criticisms , and im not being as one sided as all of your comments are , if you dont have the will to have a discussion then dont even start one.
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
04:54:22 - 13-01
Anonymous at 04:06:10 on 13/01:
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
It is a myth, if you count those pentagram alliance brugs as part of any plan to bring you down. It's simply not true. If you want to, add those brugs that shot yesterday as one "counter-pact", though they only worked together to have a (decent) version without you guys. And there's only two ways to deal with you. Blood you, or bring you down somehow, and start to play an open version once you are gone. Those fams that attacked you yesterday were not really interconnected to with each other. But what should they do? Shoot each other to give you even more of an edge numberwise and get picked apart one by one then?
Play it like Trafficante wait and do nothing and cry about the gangbang that is coming? ANd there had been rumours all day, that you were about to shoot Pentagram that day. And like I said, that war was leaked and yet there was noone, bothering to help Pentagram. Like I said there was no real big Turkish as one anti pact faggotry to kill you, that would really justify to increase your size even more.
And point three: You kinda avoided the answer, which fams alliance actually pose a threat against your side/pact/bloodlines/whatever. You pretty much absorbed almost any fams that are able to organize some shootings and actually hurt you. I can name 3 or 4 fams which could organize something, but with whom?
You call it making it cheap, in a way it is. But the way you have organized your bloodlines it's as good as impossible to bring you down. You have just bound too many of the strong families. This version you added Righelli again, and even Marazzino. Don't tell me you added Marazzino, because they are such a great family with which you have had such a great time playing with in the past. No, you are not avoiding wars, you just changed the balance so much, by piling up the fams that know what they are doing, that it's pretty close to impossible to bring you down. Just look at what fams are not blooded to you. Nazdrovia, Kurosawa, Turkuz etc. Again, who is an actual threat to you? I mean really name them, and the fams they can reliably work with. Do I have to remind you of that Marazzino-Nazdrovia "no you shoot first" faggotry. Not to mention the stuff Nazdrovia promised you, if you stopped shooting them the other day. Turkuz and Kurosawa are no better.
Like I said, those <turkish as ones> are more or less reliable bloods at best (I would rather say less). You know how quickly those as-ones/sisters fall apart. Just look at how quick that Pentagram alliance disintegrated and came crying: "we are no longer blooded to them, please stop"
Don't tell me you take those at face value, you are smarter than that.
Even Gravano and Messina are closer to being as1 than Pentagram-Karadeniz-Vogue-andwhateverotherfam there was.
If finally even the last fam realizes it needs to shoot you early, then you can talk about <the entire version is against us>, and honestly speaking I think you deserve it. You started it by creating that pact. There's practically no other choice for an open verison to bring you down first and then start playing. It worked 2 versions ago, but in that version not all of your fams were playing.
Anyway, back to your short question what 3 points.
1. Get a good reliable bloodlist (old school 5 at most).
2. Make smart moves/wars at the right time.
3. Make sure you and your bloods (all of them if possible) see the finish line.
Levi and Destination were good 2 versions ago.
I would even give Conflict/Vaffanculo/Krays/Vinci etc. credit for that verison in 2.9 or 3.0 which had no clear winner but those 7 fams or so in a stalemate. <We can't shoot them, because then our common bloods would shoot us>.
Freeriders like Nazdrovia or X-zone, or last version Pentagram, I would not consider them Version winners. THe version which X-zone probably will claim was the Version in which I would call DIG Ili Gambino as winners (3.1?). And no, DIG were no freeriders for me. Yes, you (Gravano) and vinci shot against Conflict, before DIG finally took over the driver's seat. Yet, there was enough fams/life in that version left, even without you. And there you actually had a realistic chance to rerank.
Now this version is pretty much closed down. Just be quick, with your cleaning operations please.
I pitty the way how black and white you see the game my dear TL friend.
but no matter how we argue you still jump out to the same conclusion and refuse to admit the fact that its actually because of that 'myth u dont believe' where main objective of most of them was to drop vinci/grav at each start of the vers is what made us and our bloods's relationship stronger , a relationship you now are blaming for being too strong for those fams out there , but yeh we should have gone easier on them, perhaps we should have shot more like last version until the shooting hordes would come for us , ok u took 3.1 as an example , please tell me DIG or any of them was so ready to take the main role on fighting Conf+ even when the version had many sides on it and with crist and invo and their power i dont think reranking was an option , why dont u take a look at 3.2 then , look at how first big war of that version started , i dont think we were blooded to most of top10 on that time , were we? , hell turkuz was so excited on how good they and their bloods were doing that he even claimed a pact btw them on OB news but from all of them i'd say Gamb did most of the damage because of their money holders and that scratch script which everyone was abusing , but u treat them the same in 3.3 and suddenly u are the villains of omerta (as u claim in most parts of ur comment anyway) , fact is , we dont need morale speeches from u or any of the dead fams considering how hypocritical that would sound , we have our relationship with our bloods and that will stand , and i did not avoid the question , the threat were all those fams who constantly shot us in the past or were blooded to those fams (isnt that how game is played? ) , we did not blood marra or righ , and you should perhaps also stop ignoring the fact that as ones were there, and your underestimation to them is only based on assumptions .
I like those 3 points , even tho first and third were kind of same thing , since its unquestionable that whole blood status , a blood is a blood , i dont like the way of dividing them on 'good' and 'bad'.
Gn o/
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
01:59:40 - 13-01
Anonymous at 01:31:53 on 13/01:
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
That more brugs remains a myth. Pentagram was closer to your fam (I know gravano was not directly blooded to them, yet ISSP (alliance) and Messina were. You war plans about shooting pentagram leaked before. That nobody bothered to help them, should tell you, that after last version, nobody was willing to help "Nazdrovia Junior". If you had asked around, you probably would have been able to gather more fams to shoot them. And that profestum refered to shooting them before they launched their attack on Levi, should tell you a thing or two. Sorry, really adding a fail fam like Pentagram to the so called <counter pact> is highly insulting.
So you give me point two, and you actually agree with me, that you outnumber anybody else.
Point 3 is both a compliment to your side, and a criticism at the same time. You say it would kill the challenge if you added Levi, too. But honestly speaking, how many families were/are left that could actually be a threat to you and your bloods. And just look at what numbers those fams could reliable gather for an attack. And please, don't engage into <the entire version against us myth.> It would require the entire version to bring you down, but you and I know how realistic that is. Since most of the good fams are gathered on your side. So I don't really see the challenge for you guys.
Point 4. Ah, ok. But that those "Turkish as ones" "Turkish sisters" (sorry, guys, but it really is a turkish phenomenom) are more or less reliable bloods at least, is not new. It's just arguing about semantics. Just replace the word sister with bloods, and you are closer to what those really are imo.
Point 5. Yes, it really is point 3. Kuros might be a respectable fam, as far as their own fam management is concerned (that is as far as I am willing to go). But as soon as it come to working with them, you know it as well as I do, they become totally unpredictable at best. I mean, Trza had for versions the idea, he was pulling the strings and playing Marazino. I mean seriously, you want to work with a family that things bloods just exist to serve their purpose? I mean last version they abadoned their targets in a war, to start shooting Memento/Sindikat. As long as they consider their ego's to be the most important thing in the game, there's no point in even considering to work with them. They are a strategical graveyard. Like I said, it pretty much is point three.
You saw the proportions so dont call it a myth, Penta was blooded to Janni , and Janni had other bloods who did not jump for them (at least not when they should have) so i wonder how they were planning to have a decent comeback as a 'leading fam' this round with a group of fams like that, and i dont know what this leaked plan is perhaps u can tell me or its just another unexplained statement added like that freeride below (edited: i read ur comment) .
I also think you agree with my point two and that whole being outnumbered part , you have plenty of OB news threads to back it up .
At third point i took Levi as an example since for versions they have been the ones to use their reputation and to sacrifice themselves so they would pull a decent shooting towards us so others can win(edited) , and to answer your question , i think the threat were all those fams i counted with brugs lost , we have been working with our bloods for a long time so i dont think its right to blame us on the 'good fams' , feel free to make your fam as strong as theirs/ours anytime and once again it is not a myth if you are seeing the same scenario since countless versions ago, its almost as u want us to make it easier for everyone to win a version in any cheap , avoiding most of wars way , and i feel offended by it now.
No those are as ones and those are power added to those certain fams , it is yet again not our fault that those brugs were not fully used .
Im too tired to go on this unending circle of blaming on both sides , but since you seem like a clever champ , answer this in 3 simple points , what do you think a winner family should do to earn that place and how close to that is/was any of the fams you are backing.
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
01:29:13 - 13-01
`Donalo`Sixx at 01:17:43 on 13/01:
Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
Saying that one side is unskilled or something is pretty ignorant.
I think we both know which fams im referring and what quality those fams consist .
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
01:04:21 - 13-01
Anonymous at 00:17:04 on 13/01:
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
You will win this version and deservedly because of two things. 1. Size and 2. Organization. But let's go thru your points.
1. Mere size. You can't tell me in all seriousness that your bloodlist has grown out of proportion. That's one criticism you have to face. When you finish a version with 15+ fams, then something is wrong. If those 15 fams contain as good as any Top 10 fam, then you can't (well probably you can) deny, that it's too much power gathered on one side. You assumption, "the other side" had more brugs would only be legit, IF all the fams you took out, would be working together. Pentagram+ was your bloods (or so they thought). So I am not really sure, where you get the strange idea, the others had more brugs? It's a bit beyond me, maybe you can show me the maths, that lead you to this bold conclusion.
2. Yes, I have heard this creation myth before, yet point 1 remains. You have become too big to fail. Yet, the last freeride (Pentagram) was helped/guided by you. Right?
3. Yes, that's kinda legit, but the problem is, that you have gathered most good/reliable fams. So you have numbers and organization. Sorry, but I am not sure how you consider any given version a challenge under those circumstances.
4. Oh, really? 10 bloods+ I mean, wasn't 5 a standard number. And you say, everybody else has lost the concept?
5. Yes, relates to 1) and 3). You have sucked up most of the reliable fams. Try to reverse the roles, good luck trying to organize something with families like Nazdrovia (you shoot first), Kurosawa (dumbest family to ever play this game), and lots of Turkish fams like Turkuz...
Now, really, tell me where'S the challenge?
Im confused since you are basically backing all im saying but same way trying to say the opposite , but honestly im tired of same explanations all over again and same arguing.
Now referring to your point one, i can see you misunderstood it , at no point in my comment i said they had more brugs i said "at your disposal" not "at your favor" , but i saw a comment of someone counting the loses of the other side and here u have
09-01 Omerta's New Year's Resolution: "Anti-pact" had/lost 84 Brugs
10-01 The As1 affaire: "Anti-pact" had/lost 70 Brugs+
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!: "Anti-pact" had/lost 214 Brugs+
now you have almost 400 brugs here and a KA where a LC killed our don who was a brug in top10 with bullets so feel free to relate it to to my previous #5 point. and on side note Penta was never our blood .
Point two you are saying we are too big to fail and i know numbers this version were on our favor( not a very usual thing uh) and that is only cuz ISPP came in .com but its not like 100+ brugs shot since they mostly lackey accs ,but isnt that how every version begins and yet we die outnumbered? . Its unclear to me what you want to say with that freeride , perhaps u can explain more.
Point three , i'll actually take this as a compliment , since reliable fams are working with us and there are other reliable ones who want to work too but how challenging game would have been if we blooded Levi for example .
Point four , yet again another misunderstanding ( i worry if my english is good now) , my point about the sis fam statement is that at no point in previous "old school" versions , a sis fam would abandon the main fam and at no point it would act alone shooting some family and not include main fam to it , or as some cases i can see the sis fam (as one or what ever u cancall it now since i dont even know how to call it anymore) bloods some fam that the main fam doesnt , and Grav has 6 bloods , and yes that is supposed to be too much but its how game has evolved , we too have thought fams who had 6 bloods were just exceeding their number but this is the current game .
Point five , we stay true to our bloods and our bloods stay true to us and we try to be as much 'reliable' as we can be so dont get surprised when fams like that want to work with us , but looking the game from the other perspective , i think we would all agree (relating it to my previous #3) that its Nazd's own fault about their current situation they are , and about turkuz , their name tells what their plan or ambition in this game is and i dont wanna start on their tops , kuro , no matter how people talk about them , they still stay true to their principles and it might be the only fam atm in the game that can overcome the 'hesitation barrier' on taking some action , that includes shooting some fam , inkilling high ranks , it might not be strategical but gotta at least try to respect it to them.
To close this , there is plenty of challenge but this time it is a bit harder than you are used to be.
11-01 There was a FIREFIGHT!
23:57:40 - 12-01
Without even bothering to read all these pact anti pact outnumber blabla long comments since its the same shit every version and same blames and ignorant ,hypocrites, angry people seeing only red (i would recommend reading Johnny's big speeches in OB news since by far he is most realistic retired game observer in omerta) , let me point out some stuff:
1. You had the brugs and the KA at your disposal this version and several other versions and still couldn't fully use them (hence them being empty or no connection btw them and tops) while there were accounts owning most of the family money , i'd blame your top management in here perhaps its time you do something about it .
2. You had the same type of enemies for versions even before 3.3 where we fought Conflict+ and same kind of parasites waited for both our sides to get weakened and clean as third party and i have the right to make this statement since im from Gravano and there was no version where we wouldnt have to psychologically prepare our tops and our people that this version wont be easy and you will have to fight countless waves day after day and chances to lose would be high.
3. You do backstabs , leaks , personal vendettas and you still wonder why some other fams dont want to work with you or shoot with you or even defend you if it suited their strategical plan well.
4. You have lost the concept of what sis fams or bloods are and what relations between them should be , and you promise change every version and still end up doing the same thing.
5. You lack skills on organizing wars (related to #3) or do fast counters , target picking is included .
Now without going any further , let me ask you something , you still want to claim the right to win a version or blame others for their gameplay?
1. You had the brugs and the KA at your disposal this version and several other versions and still couldn't fully use them (hence them being empty or no connection btw them and tops) while there were accounts owning most of the family money , i'd blame your top management in here perhaps its time you do something about it .
2. You had the same type of enemies for versions even before 3.3 where we fought Conflict+ and same kind of parasites waited for both our sides to get weakened and clean as third party and i have the right to make this statement since im from Gravano and there was no version where we wouldnt have to psychologically prepare our tops and our people that this version wont be easy and you will have to fight countless waves day after day and chances to lose would be high.
3. You do backstabs , leaks , personal vendettas and you still wonder why some other fams dont want to work with you or shoot with you or even defend you if it suited their strategical plan well.
4. You have lost the concept of what sis fams or bloods are and what relations between them should be , and you promise change every version and still end up doing the same thing.
5. You lack skills on organizing wars (related to #3) or do fast counters , target picking is included .
Now without going any further , let me ask you something , you still want to claim the right to win a version or blame others for their gameplay?
Some might say it was not necessary to post his message here, but for the greater good of omerta its best so everyone can see it, so maybe something will be done about his bugfest.
Pathetic
what is pathetic? this is "news" and we are a news site, so i guess we are entitled to report it.
you sure can and may have your opinion but it's still news
If you claim as professional then report it as news in that way , but now its too late , my point is instead of making that first thread explaining everything how the bug works while it wasnt even fixed , u could explain the situation and how things were(and it still doesnt seem) , you just promoted it to people , every idiot could give it a try , and dont say its not like that cuz i myself didnt know until i saw ur thread , i said on my previous post that just one guy trying to get away with this can still disbalance the game .
FlowzZ, you want the admins to do something about all these cheats?
From the way you are talking I have the feeling you don't want them to hunt down all the cheaters and all the cheats that are out there. Else you wouldn't talk like this.
In my opinion isn't a good thing this got out completely, because now the crew HAS to do something against at least these bugs, and maybe even actively pursue other bugs as well. Instead of their lazy slacking attitude in the last 6 versions orso.
This is called Leverage. Finally we, as players, might have been able to created enough leverage ourselves that we can force the crew to do something about this ever-lingering problem.
You, as a honest player, should embrace this "provocative" Reporting.
Yes i do want them to catch the cheaters and i have yet not said otherwise .
I agree on how lazy they are and for their lack of interest about the game .
And i still stick to my point that perhaps you should have seen it from players's who still play the game perspective regarding the bug explanation because that is me in this case and reason is all explained in posts below .